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Related: About this forumBrexit's Irish Question
People, money, Ireland. These are the three big questions on which the immediate future of the Brexit project hinges. When European Union leaders meet in October, they will decide whether sufficient progress has been made in talks with the British to allow for the opening of substantive negotiations to determine the United Kingdoms relationship with the EU after it leaves in March 2019. As the EUs lead negotiator Michel Barnier put it last May:
By the border issue he means the question of whether a hard customs and immigration border is to be imposed between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic.
And so the Irish Question rises yet again, looming on the road to Brexit like the Sphinx on the road to Thebes. It threatens to devour those who cannot solve its great riddle: How do you impose an EU frontier across a small island without utterly unsettling the complex compromises that have ended a thirty-year conflict? The people part of the preliminary Brexit negotiations concerns the mutual recognition of the rights of EU citizens living in the UK and vice versa. The money part concerns Britains outstanding obligations to the EU budget and the calculation of the final divorce bill. Both are awkward and politically divisive issues, but it should be perfectly possible to reach a settlement.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2017/09/28/brexits-irish-question/
I made very clear that the [Irish] border issue will be one of my three priorities for the first phase of the negotiation. Together with citizens rights and the financial settlement. We first must make sufficient progress on these points, before we start discussing the future of our relationship with the UK.
By the border issue he means the question of whether a hard customs and immigration border is to be imposed between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic.
And so the Irish Question rises yet again, looming on the road to Brexit like the Sphinx on the road to Thebes. It threatens to devour those who cannot solve its great riddle: How do you impose an EU frontier across a small island without utterly unsettling the complex compromises that have ended a thirty-year conflict? The people part of the preliminary Brexit negotiations concerns the mutual recognition of the rights of EU citizens living in the UK and vice versa. The money part concerns Britains outstanding obligations to the EU budget and the calculation of the final divorce bill. Both are awkward and politically divisive issues, but it should be perfectly possible to reach a settlement.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2017/09/28/brexits-irish-question/
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Brexit's Irish Question (Original Post)
Denzil_DC
Sep 2017
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TubbersUK
(1,441 posts)1. I just read that 30,000 locals cross that border each day
Jobs, commerce, family, leisure.
Boris of course has been his usual glib self on the issue.
Pope George Ringo II
(1,896 posts)2. The CTA is really quite incompatible with a hard border
Of course, since the British government won't talk about "People, money, Ireland," they'll never get to talk about all this nonsense they keep issuing papers on. The eventual Brexit is going to be even worse than it needed to be.
LeftishBrit
(41,303 posts)3. This is indeed really worrying
KatyMan
(4,278 posts)4. We used to live in Slane
and would regularly drive to Newry for shopping; the only difference when you crossed the border was that the roads were better. The shops even took punts or pounds, 1 for 1 (this was in 99-2000) It would (will?) be tragic if north were cut off again from the south.