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Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 02:29 AM Jul 2014

"Women Against Feminism" may be confusing and wrong, but it is not meaningless

If these women feel that "Feminism" is a toxic culture that judges them (I would even say some feel "slut-shamed&quot and is unnecessarily divisive and harsh, you would certainly be correct in saying they are mistaken and don't understand Feminism as a concept, but they are picking up SOMETHING and their reactions should not be dismissed without trying to understand them. You could also conclude that the obnoxious tone of some people on message boards and social media has drowned out the important message of equality that Feminism is supposed to be about. You could conclude that the toxic style of some people is causing this backlash by young women and no, it is probably not entirely the fault of "anti-Feminists" or MRAs.
There are lessons to be learned surely about how to get a message out there without alienating people who should be (and are in fact) allies.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/07/14/women-against-feminism-tumblr-facebook-_n_5585163.html

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"Women Against Feminism" may be confusing and wrong, but it is not meaningless (Original Post) Bonobo Jul 2014 OP
Their reaction is to the anti-male bias that many feminists project Major Nikon Jul 2014 #1
The pattern of dichotomous conflict Bonobo Jul 2014 #2
Maybe because they are told "You aren't doing feminism right" by the quote "real" feminists. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #3
people get incredibly hung up on labels. Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #4
That's a great point. Bonobo Jul 2014 #5
I don't think this is a recent phenomenon Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2014 #6
Yes and that is also "slut-shaming". Bonobo Jul 2014 #7
I seriously doubt anyone took them seriously enough to be too damaged by it Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2014 #9
It's not recent, but it's recently gathering more steam Major Nikon Aug 2014 #10
Both Extremism is wrong Joel thakkar Jul 2014 #8

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
1. Their reaction is to the anti-male bias that many feminists project
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 05:44 PM
Jul 2014

If you look at men who are anti-feminist it's pretty easy to say that their motivation comes from misogyny and in many if not most cases it undoubtedly does. It's a bit harder to pin that label on women who are anti-feminist. The vitriol that these women are facing is very telling. It's as if feminists are telling them because they are women and they are rejecting the message that feminism projects, they must be siding with the enemy. It's not that much different than the Bush style dichotomous thinking that you're either with us or against us.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
2. The pattern of dichotomous conflict
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 07:05 PM
Jul 2014

In the West is key to understanding the western mind and some of its problems. Everything is war in the west. Look at medicine, a war on disease where surgery cuts out the sick parts rather than a wholistic approach. Same for the war if the sexes.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
3. Maybe because they are told "You aren't doing feminism right" by the quote "real" feminists.
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 08:57 PM
Jul 2014

If one dares to disagree with a couple of points a "real" feminist might be pushing, they are met with "You need to be educated" or flat out told "You are not a feminist then" instead of real discussion.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
4. people get incredibly hung up on labels.
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 12:23 AM
Jul 2014

I disagree, strongly, with their interpretation of what the word "Feminism" means, but it is clearly subjective AND vigorously debated even among the people who self-apply that label.

It's worth considering what someone's opinion of the word "Christian" might mean, if their only encounters with people using that label on themselves were folks of a certain sect, strain, or denomination.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
6. I don't think this is a recent phenomenon
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 01:52 PM
Jul 2014

When I was in university the "activist" feminists always seemed infinitely more interested in attacking other women than anyone or anything else. And it turns out that many women react negatively when they're compared to prostitutes.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
7. Yes and that is also "slut-shaming".
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 08:47 PM
Jul 2014

And coming from women, their peers, starting in school, I am sure it is much more damaging.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
9. I seriously doubt anyone took them seriously enough to be too damaged by it
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 09:21 PM
Jul 2014

These ladies were on a crusade against sodomy (very specifically oral sex), they were absolutely fixated on it. Their argument was that any woman who participated in such acts with a man was merely an unpaid prostitute and damaged the standing of all women in the world.

Joel thakkar

(363 posts)
8. Both Extremism is wrong
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 08:33 AM
Jul 2014

Extreme feminism is wrong...extreme women against feminism is also wrong..


It is true that women are still not getting equal rights in many areas but sometimes extremes like (male right groups, women against feminism) may reject it. Equally, Extreme feminist always blew up the magnitude of the women inequality.

At-least now there is equality on both extreme sides.

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