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I wasn't going to post again until I saw this NPR article. . . .
The story of this man's life is compelling. He's truly one of the great moral leaders and teachers of our age.
http://www.npr.org/2014/07/14/330183987/the-3-scariest-words-a-boy-can-hear
The 3 Scariest Words A Boy Can Hear
by NPR Staff
July 14, 2014 4:06 PM ET
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Joe Ehrmann, shown in 1975, was a defensive lineman with the Baltimore Colts for much of the '70s. He says that as a child, he was taught that being a man meant dominating people and circumstances a lesson that served him well on the football field, but less so in real life.
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This story is part of All Things Considered's "Men in America" series.
It's rare that a man makes it through life without being told, at least once, "Be a man." To Joe Ehrmann, a former NFL defensive lineman and now a pastor, those are the three scariest words that a boy can hear.
Ehrmann who played with the Baltimore Colts for much of the 1970s and was a lineman at Syracuse University before that confronted many models of masculinity in his life. But, as with many boys, his first instructor on manhood was his father, who was an amateur boxer.
Ehrmann says of his father: "I think his definition, which was very old in this country, was: Men don't need. Men don't want. Men don't touch. Men don't feel. If you're going to be a man in this world, you better learn how to dominate and control people and circumstances."
On the football field, those lessons served Ehrmann well. But, as he tells NPR's Audie Cornish, it was not the same case in the pediatric oncology ward. In 1978, Ehrmann's teenage brother was diagnosed with cancer. However tough Joe was on the field, he did not feel equipped to help his brother or himself.
Interview Highlights
On how his brother's death affected him
When he died, that was devastating to me. And I started to ask all the questions about what is the role, the meaning, the purpose of life. I was 29 years old, I was six years into my NFL career, and I had no concept no concept what life was about, and no concept what I was about. And on this journey, I ended up asking the question: What does it mean to be a man? ...
I recognized that everything I had invested my life in all my accomplishments, my achievements, the stuff I had accumulated I recognized at that moment they offered no hope or help to my 19-year-old brother 18-year-old brother lying on his deathbed. ...
All I had was these old "man up" kind of things "suck it up, we'll get through this together" when he really needed the emotional, the nurturing, the love. And I had to really struggle to pull that out of my heart.
On the roles a coach can play in his players' lives
There's two kinds of coaches in America: You're either transactional or you're transformational. Transactional coaches basically use young people for their own identity, their own validation, their own ends. It's always about them the team first, players' needs down the road.
And then you have transformational coaches. They understand the power, the platform, the position they have in the lives of young people, and they're going to use that to change the arc of every young person's life. I think football is an ideal place sports in general team sports are an ideal place to help boys become men. And the great myth in America today is that sports builds character. That's not true in a win-at-all-costs culture. Sports doesn't build character unless the coach models it, nurtures it and teaches it.
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In addition to working as a pastor, Joe Ehrmann volunteers as a coach at Gilman School in Baltimore.
Coach for America
On what those philosophies look like on the field
I think there's a lot of screamers, there's a lot of shouters, there's a lot of shamers. My approach is this: Boy, you're in the middle of the game, and some kid's having a tough time. They get beat. ... I tell all my players, "Come on over to me during the game and I'll give you a hug." And you think about the power of a hug versus swearing, shouting, shaming at some kid.
When I played football, I hated [when] some kid would get a knee injury, your teammate would go down and that coach would say move the practice down 20 yards and leave that kid laying there. ... As coaches, we can kneel down next to that kid, you affirm the tears, the pain, the emotions, and you bring all the team around to say, "How can we help Bobby? He's one of us; he's done so much. He had so many dreams." So, you teach them how to build authentic community as men caring for and loving each other.
On the changes he's seen in ideas of masculinity
I think those three lies of masculinity athletic ability, sexual conquest, economic success in many ways, those things have been heightened. You have this increase in social media. You have young boys coming into this world, and they are hit 24/7. They're given all kinds of negative messages about their masculinity. They've been conditioned, and they have way more messaging out of this culture than I ever had as a young boy. I think in many respects, it's more difficult. There's more negative messaging out there and less positive.
On what it means to be a man
It think it can only be defined by two things: One, it's your capacity to love and to be loved. Masculinity ought to be defined in terms of relationships. Second thing, it ought to be defined by commitment to a cause. All of us have a responsibility to give back, to make the world more fair, more just, more hospitable for every human being. So I think it's about relationships and commitments to a cause. That's the underline of all humanity men and women.
I've never been a sports fan, but I love this guy!
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"The 3 Scariest Words A Boy Can Hear" (Original Post)
radicalliberal
Aug 2014
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NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)1. TLDR. Could you possibly actually just list the three words, please?
radicalliberal
(907 posts)3. Sorry.
"Be a man."
I just wanted to save the reader the trouble of clicking on the link. Well, I was also excited about the article.
I don't understand what you mean by posting the crying emoticon. Exasperation over the length of my post, perhaps? Oh, well, I tried to make a positive contribution to this forum (for a change). . . .
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)4. Some of us are at work, don't have full access, and I thank you for the reply.
The best I could do turned out the three words that you mention.
Thanks and K/R.
radicalliberal
(907 posts)5. I understand! :-)
(I should have thought of that.)
Thank you very much for the K/R!
radicalliberal
(907 posts)2. The transcript of the entire interview is worth reading.
http://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=330183987
After glancing at the text, I read the transcript word for word out loud to my legally blind wife. I'm a sensitive guy, but I don't cry at the drop of a hat. So, I wasn't prepared for what I read in the following excerpt:
Joe said, "I tell all my players, come on over to me during the game and I'll give you a hug." When I had read the last word of this sentence to my wife, I broke down. Without going into all the reasons why, I always felt cut off from my peers when I was a boy; and there was not a single man in my life whom I wanted to be like. If this is too personal, please excuse. But it's the truth. I told my wife the male ego is actually quite fragile. She told me most women know this.
Joe's statement on Steubenville is amazing to me. He's right! (By the way, perhaps the second word in the second sentence should be "no" instead of "that."
This is quite a refreshing change from the likes of Poppy Harlow and others who should know better.
After glancing at the text, I read the transcript word for word out loud to my legally blind wife. I'm a sensitive guy, but I don't cry at the drop of a hat. So, I wasn't prepared for what I read in the following excerpt:
CORNISH: You mentioned that coaches are either transactional - what can you do for me - or transformational. On the field, how does that play out? Are you basically talking about the screamers here?
EHRMANN: The screamers, yeah. I think there's a lot of screamers. There's a lot of shouters. There's a lot of shamers. My approach is this - boy, you're in the middle of the game and some kid's having a tough time. They get beat. I tell all my players, come on over to me during the game and I'll give you a hug. And you think about the power of a hug versus swearing, shouting, shaming at some kid. Boy, you know, when I played ball I hated - some kid would get a knee injury. Your teammate would go down and that coach would say move the practice down 20 yards and leave that kid laying there. Boy, as coaches, we get kneeled down next to the kid. You affirm the tears, the pain, the emotions, and then you bring all the team around to say how can we help Bobby? He's one of us. He's done so much. He had so many dreams. So you teach them how to build authentic community as men caring and loving for each other.
Joe said, "I tell all my players, come on over to me during the game and I'll give you a hug." When I had read the last word of this sentence to my wife, I broke down. Without going into all the reasons why, I always felt cut off from my peers when I was a boy; and there was not a single man in my life whom I wanted to be like. If this is too personal, please excuse. But it's the truth. I told my wife the male ego is actually quite fragile. She told me most women know this.
Joe's statement on Steubenville is amazing to me. He's right! (By the way, perhaps the second word in the second sentence should be "no" instead of "that."
CORNISH: Can you talk about a particular incident that really drives that home for you?
EHRMANN: Well, I think the Steubenville, Ohio, rape case - two high school boys - 16-year-old girl - drunk, passed out - hundreds of pictures taken - tweets. And that one person had the moral clarity or moral courage to intervene in the midst of that. Two boys sentenced to prison - had no idea about consent. They weren't taught this stuff. A community tried to cover it up. Boy, I think that thing is played out and could play out at any high school. Boys have to be taught about - they have to have the moral clarity and the moral courage to speak up. That's not going to end. Women can't end it. It's not going to end until we raise up a generation of men that have the courage to call out other men on behalf of women in this country.
This is quite a refreshing change from the likes of Poppy Harlow and others who should know better.