Men's Group
Related: About this forum"If you are a woman, then you are beautiful."
It's not that I disagree, but what is it with that?
What if the same was said about "men"?
Yeah, yeah, I know... it doesn't NEED to be said because the burden of being looked at and appraised is all on women! So they need to be reassured of their beauty. So beauty is not important, but it is! But only inner beauty and all woman are beautiful. Because the message from the oppressive patriarchy must be countered!
...or something.
The semi-famous Dove Beauty Bar commercial (brought to you by the same folks that sell Axe Deoderant Spray as the way for men to have women (finally) make the moves on them...) is nothing more than an good commercial that purchases brand loyalty with Oprah-style feel goodiness.
But it does beg some questions... Are indeed ALL women beautiful? Why do they need to be told so and to feel so? Do all men demand that they be viewed as handsome? Where are the messages of self-confidence and self-love for men from the great Patriarchal oppressor?
If indeed all humans are the same in their basic emotional needs, where precisely is all the self-coddling that men get? Where is their "All men are beautiful" message.
It is ironic to see that in HOF, in the thread about this subject, there is a person who actually throws out "Men always think they are more attractive than they are" -AND IS UNAWARE OF THE HYPOCRISY AND IRONY. She wants to make men know how unattractive they are while at the same time acknowledging that all women should understand how beautiful THEY are.
Boy men suck. They are ugly inside and out. They oppress women. And they have no emotional needs.
They really should just change the name of that forum because it's relationship to Feminism as a political goal is very much an afterthought to the true goal of tearing and ripping at men for what they have done to them.
Alert away. I call it like I see it.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Wow, really?
Once again, proof they know jack shit about what it's like to be a man.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)But men can put up with it, right? So it's all good.
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)What is surprising is that there are people who have nothing better to do than scan said dating sites for examples of said lonely ineptitude, for public hate, mocking and shaming.
It's pretty weird. And fucked up.
Okay, I looked at the OK Cupid tumblr link in question, and I think the issue around it is someone's completely un-calibrated "they're putting you on" meter. (Gee, where have we seen that before? )
Half, or more, of those "propositions" are clearly someone trolling, or fucking around, or being a general, deliberate idiot/ass.
(That doesn't mean they're great guys- far from it- but I don't believe the majority are serious.)
Which, as anyone who has spent any time on DU -particularly MIRT- knows, is what a lot of people do with their internet connections.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)And to hold that up as an example of "what men are like" in general is ridiculously disingenuous.
It would be like going to IBS (irritable bowel syndrome) convention to determine what an average poop looked like.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I will settle for nothing but the best!
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)post #3 above.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)now, getting a post hidden in ATA; that is truly extraordinary.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)That takes a special kind of cluelessness.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Why is that?
opiate69
(10,129 posts)Those doing the lecturing continually prove, with every fallacious post, that they're just frankly not very smart...
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)"I'm (fat/ugly/skinny) therefore I'm worthless."
"No you're not! You're beautiful!"
The unfinished part of that second sentence is... "therefore you do have worth". If you are unsuccessful in convincing the person that she is beautiful then you've reinforced her appraisal of her self worth, since you have implicitly tied her worth to her beauty.
Part of the hypocrisy comes from jealousy. Sure, we're all judged on our physical appearance, but the average man comparatively doesn't give a shit what our critics think of our looks. Given the choice between being called ugly or stupid, for me the preference goes to ugly - every time.
My inherent worth has nothing to do with my appearance. Your self worth has nothing to do with your appearance. Her self worth has nothing to do with her appearance.
Men suck? No. And besides, there's very little to eat down in the Morlock caves. It's better to let us out in public.