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I find it fascinating that people still take that insane asylum called the UN seriously.
Israeli Ambassador to UNESCO Carmel Shama Hacohen called the resolution “a total Islamization” of a site that is revered by both Jews and Muslims. The six-page draft resolution – submitted by Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, Kuwait, and the United Arab Emirates on behalf of the Palestinian Authority to the UNESCO Executive Board – broadly condemns Israeli actions in Jerusalem, the West Bank, and Gaza.
At no point does the resolution mention the Jewish historical connection to Jerusalem, which dates back to biblical times. Nor does it reference the Temple Mount or the Western Wall, which was part of the retaining wall King Herod built for the Temple Mount more than 2,000 years ago. It also relies solely on Arabic names for the holy sites on and around the Temple Mount.
Deputy Foreign Minister Tzipi Hotovely added that the resolution is an attempt by the Palestinians to rewrite history, by going after one of the essential foundations of Judaism.
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/UNESCO-draft-resolution-Western-Wall-is-part-of-al-Aksa-mosque-427435
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Mosby
(17,448 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)I guess that Bibi the bone crusher pretends to take it seriously to use it to whine about how bad Israel has it while it stomps on the Palestinian's neck.
But, oh the irony of it all that is lost on you.
Mosby
(17,448 posts)You sporting a Bernie Sanders avatar.
But I think it is to lend credibility...
So one can claim to be a Democrat...
With such extremist right wing views on Israel.
( and I'm pretty sure he will now alert on my post as he does on every single one of my posts. .. lol)
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)
King_David
(14,851 posts)And Larry David too ( it wasn't an act )
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Come on now.
Jews to the Kotel, Palestinians to the 'al-Aqsa Mount', right? Or have you changed your mind again?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)but the irony of your protestations is delish.
shira
(30,109 posts)Are you waiting for Mondoweiss or some other pro-BDS site to address this particular issue - so you can then adopt their position as your own?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)What are you suggesting, my dubious friend?
shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I thought that was Rabin.
King_David
(14,851 posts)He's actually clueless 😄.
(Fully expect that poster to alert on my post as is done 9/10 posts)
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)They have to be meritorious, and frankly I'm not seeing it.
shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)is not only inaccurate but also showing how misinformed you are on the matter.
There are currently a very small number of people who are on suspension for five hides. Two thirds of them (name redacted) are people who have been previously suspended for five hides and know exactly how the system works. They are people of all different races, genders, and sexual orientations. They are supporters of Sanders and Clinton, and people who don't support any candidate. The one thing these people with multiple suspensions have in common is that they did not appear to make any effort to change their behavior. That is their choice.
shenmue
(38,537 posts)Hmm, let me see.
What is wrong with this picture?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And the fact that it's been in use as a Mosque for a few centuries longer than it was used as said temple(s).
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The Siege of Jerusalem in the year 70 was the decisive event of the First Jewish–Roman War. The Roman army, led by the future Emperor Titus, with Tiberius Julius Alexander as his second-in-command, besieged and conquered the city of Jerusalem, which had been occupied by its Jewish defenders in 66.
The siege ended with the sacking of the city and the destruction of its famous Second Temple. The destruction of both the first and second temples is still mourned annually as the Jewish fast Tisha B'Av. The Arch of Titus, celebrating the Roman sack of Jerusalem and the Temple, still stands in Rome.
Josephus claims that 1.1 million people were killed during the siege, of which a majority were Jewish, and that 97,000 were captured and enslaved, including Simon bar Giora and John of Giscala.
"The slaughter within was even more dreadful than the spectacle from without. Men and women, old and young, insurgents and priests, those who fought and those who entreated mercy, were hewn down in indiscriminate carnage. The number of the slain exceeded that of the slayers. The legionaries had to clamber over heaps of dead to carry on the work of extermination."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(70_CE)
Kinda like how the Great Synagogue of Warsaw "stopped being a synagogue".
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)The Jerusalem temple site spent nearly seven hundred years as a literal garbage pit. There was never any effort to reclaim it, even during those periods where the Byzantines were Jew-friendly. When 'Umar took Jerusalem, the site was cleaned up, and construction began on the current mosque and shrine. At no point from that point until the fall of the Ottoman empire, did there seem any interest in reclaiming the temple as such. In fact even after the fall of the Ottomans and large Jewish immigration, even after the foundation of Israel and their occupation of Jerusalem, interest in "reclaiming the temple" as such was pretty much nil. Thus why the peace treaty with Jordan writes the complex off to Jordanian waqf control.
After all... if there's no Aron haBrit, there can't be much of a temple. Judaism essentially moved into a new era, and Temple Judaism went extinct as a religious practice.
There's now a big skyscraper on the site of the Great Warsaw Synagogue. It looks like a giant smurf's dick.
King_David
(14,851 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Combined time of Mosques on Al Asqa grounds: 1,400 years and counting.
Last temple torn down: 1,880 years ago.
Does that help you with perspective?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)"desecrate" the mount by building a synagogue there in 1967 the way the Muslims did by building a mosque on the site precious to the Jews when they conquered Jerusalem, you want to punish the Jews forever. How's that for perspective? Maybe the Israeli's should have just done what the Muslims did (over and over again on MANY different sites).
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)1. I guess that you believe that the Muslims desecrated the mount by building a Mosque on open ground?
2. I have never even suggested that in any way shape or form. You should stop with the fevered dreams.
3. They have. They're called the illegal Israeli colonies in the West Bank.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)one site by building OVER the site and now are trying to STEAL the history. That's all that repulsive UNESCO vote was all about - or do you have a better (and I'm sure amusing) reason for the language of that vote. I see you all want to ignore that very inconvenient fact but the links are all above that even the UNESCO Chief deplored the language. That's entirely your problem. I know it must be frustrating that your dreams get so very little support here in the US but that also is not my problem. Unfortunately for both Bibi and the far left, Israel will not become a partisan issue.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and restores your god's temple, or do you reject such primitive thinking?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Thrre was no temple when Al Asqa was built, the Arabs had niting to desecrate, but it is a rather quaint notion that somebody has to leave that area barren fir the future Israeli state: 1,500 years ago.
I guess that you must also hate all the mosques that Israel has destroyed outrightsince 1948.
IMHO, the UNESCO vote was to send a message to Israel to keep its greedy mitts iff of Al Asqa.
You seem to get a lot of exercize jumping to conclusions.
Well, my wish is for Israel to understand that human rights have to be employed equally for all, for Israel to recognize that international law applies to it 24/7 and not when it is convenient, that theUSA lives up to the same standards and stop turning a bling eye to Jewish bigotry in Israel, and that the crass supporters of Isreali apartheid find that they love peace more than the ststematic ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Congratulations. Your post is the biggest bunch of unmitigated bullshit I've seen in quite some time. It's become quite obvious you are not worth my time.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)who just lost his argument.
sabbat hunter
(6,892 posts)1) Jews were allowed to pray on the temple mount after the temples destruction in 70CE, and Emperor Hadrian in fact gave permission to build a third temple, and there is historical records backing this up. He later reneged on this permission, but the temple mount had been cleared of rubble and debris
2) even after the permission had been pulled, Roman emperors thru the time of Constantine allowed jewish prayers on the temple mount (which was typical of Roman rule, to allow local populace to pray to their gods. Constantine stopped most of the prayers, but still allowed access a few times a year, particularly on Tisha b'Av.
3) after the death of Emperor Julian, due to protests from local Christians, Jews were banned from the Temple Mount ~360CE, but in 438 Empress Eudocia gave permission for Jews to once again ascend the Temple Mount for prayers. Almost 100k Jews came to Jerusalem to pray at the temple mount that year. But thanks again to local Christians and a threatened revolt by them over this matter, the permission was once again revoked
4) In 618 when the Persians conquered Jerusalem, they allowed Jews to ascend the Mount and pray (as part of a deal of the Babylonian Jews giving 30,000 soldiers to teh Persian army). There is evidence of not only prayers, but sacrifices starting again on the Temple Mount.
5) when the Byzantines reconquered Jerusalem the prayers ended again, but when the Arabs conquered the area a short time later, the Caliph Umar gave permission for Jews to live in Jerusalem and pray on the mount without restriction
6) After the Dome of the Rock was built, the Muslim Caliphs allowed Jews to build a synagogue on another area of the Temple Mount. between this time and the coming of the crusaders in 1099, Jews were allowed to pray on the Temple mount (with interruptions for brief periods due to one ruler or another)
7) between 1099 and 1187 no non christians were officially allowed in Jerusalem (and the two mosques were turned into churches). However Maimonides wrote in 1165 that he went up to the temple mount and prayed with others, so this ban was not a complete one.
8) Saladin the Great upon his conquest of Jerusalem allowed Jews to settle in the city again, and pray on the Temple Mount in a synagogue.
There is more if you want.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Anything for hasbara's sake, I guess.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)...expected to do favors for Israel?
shira
(30,109 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Any nation can draft any damn thing it wants. Doesn't mean it's going to go anywhere.
The Green Manalishi
(1,054 posts)If they were to bulldoze the mosque and rebuild the temple this Atheistic Irish Zionist would quit his job and go help.
I might be progressive on unions and the environment and health care and GLBT issues, but I'll always support the existence of a strong Israel and this includes Jerusalem as it's capital.
go ahead, anti Zionists, alert.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That doesn't need to be seen as a favor for Israel - just a show of respect for another religion.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Interesting argument though, given the genesis of this particular sub-conflict - Israel's often-violent demands that a treaty with Jordan be unilaterally annulled to establish Jewish control over a major Muslim place of worship.
shira
(30,109 posts)....annulled in order to establish Jewish control over al-Aqsa. Do you just make this stuff up on the fly?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Just a demonstration of respect for religions other than Islam.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)had a prohibition on Jews even walking on the Temple Mount much less paying there lest they accidentally desecrate what is called the Holy of Holies or where G-d reputedly dwelt and the Ark of the Covenant was kept
and anyone who claims this is about innocent Jews simply mumbling to themselves or praying, well I got a bridge to sell ya, but I suspect more those who make such claims wish to play on the lack of knowledge of the average reader
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That all seems nuts to me, personally.
shira
(30,109 posts)Do you have a problem with Jews from other countries touring the area as they wish, like any other tourist?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)shira
(30,109 posts) shira
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Little Tich
(6,171 posts)on the Temple Mount.
However, it seems as if the resolution is one-sided and factually wrong.
shira
(30,109 posts)As ridiculous as Netanyahu and his cronies are, Bibi has made it clear time and time again Israel isn't trying to change the status quo. And there's nothing to indicate they are.
Goes to show the sources you rely on are complete crap if you're getting the opposite impression.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)to change the status quo on the Temple Mount. Here are two articles refuting your claim, and I can get more of the same if I want. If you have a single shred of evidence to back up your claim that Israel wasn't trying to change the status quo, please provide a link...
New bill would allow Jews to pray at Temple Mount
Source: Times of Israel, May 19, 2014
Knesset members from the Likud and Labor parties are set to push forward a new bill that would allow Jews to pray at the Temple Mount, a practice currently forbidden.
The Temple Mount compound, which holds the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa Mosque, is considered the third holiest site in Islam and the holiest site to Jews as the site of the two ancient Jewish temples.
By law, under arrangements Israel instituted after capturing the area in 1967, Jews are not allowed to pray at the site.
MKs Miri Regev (Likud) and Hilik Bar (Labor) were expected to present the controversial bill for Knesset discussion, Ynet reported, but it is unclear when they will do so.
Read more: http://www.timesofisrael.com/mks-propose-law-allowing-jews-to-pray-at-temple-mount/
Ministry looking to allow Jewish prayer on Temple Mount
Source: Times of Israel, April 30, 2014
Deputy religious affairs minister says he ‘expects’ government to adopt new directives breaking longstanding taboo
The Religious Affairs Ministry is crafting new rules that would allow Jewish prayer on the Temple Mount, Deputy Minister Eli Ben Dahan said Tuesday.
“We have drafted regulations that will regulate prayer on the mount,” said Ben Dahan, of the nationalist Jewish Home party. “I expect the prime minister and the government of Israel to adopt and validate these regulations and allow all Jews who desire so to go up to the Temple Mount and pray there,” he told a conference of Liba, an organization that encourages Jews to visit the Temple Mount, via video address.
The regulations would reverse longstanding orders banning Jewish prayer on the Temple Mount. The rules have garnered backlash over the last several months amid a renewed interest in visiting the site by Jewish groups, which has served to stoke heated tensions at the site, holy to both Jews and Muslims.
Non-Muslim visitors seen prostrating or praying silently or openly have faced arrest by police for disturbing the peace.
Read more: http://www.timesofisrael.com/ministry-looking-to-allow-jewish-prayer-on-temple-mount/
shira
(30,109 posts)Those articles are from over a year ago.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Netanyahu and his cabinet of Arab hating racists are lying (as usual) when they deny what anyone with half a brain can clearly see.
Unfortunately, it's very conceivable that Israel would try to do it again unless there is a mechanism that would hinder that. I'm all for having an international presence on the Temple Mount, as it would to stop Netanyahu from starting another intifada.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)their precious mount (vomit) with their spiritual thoughts. That's what you and they are whining about - Jews PRAYING. If that's a defensible position in your eyes, you truly are troubled and lack all perspective.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)I think religious rights should be based on a set of common principles, like the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, not ad hoc in a way that only promotes the interests of one group at the expense of others. I can imagine that the mere thought of the First Amendment makes you want to lose your lunch, but I actually believe in democratic principles and I'm not sorry.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)First of all, Israel doesn't have a constitution so trying to apply American principals is completely dishonest. Second, if you want to play that game, the First Amendment guarantees free exercise of religion. How exactly does NOT allowing someone to pray someplace adhere to your version of the First Amendment? Talk about promoting only one group - you're talking about a place where it's only legal for Muslims to pray (at the expense of every other religion on the planet) - and you're okay with that - and you're using the first amendment as an argument. I really don't think you thought this one through. You may want to consider deleting your comment. It's ridiculous.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)You tried to use an argument that took around 1/2 a second to snare you into exposing your abject hypocrisy. You only want the Palestinians to get first amendment rights. Screw those Israelis. And you couldn't even see fit to condemn the rules that forbid anyone who isn't Muslim to pray silently on their precious mount. That's pathetic.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)When that vile fascist rat's nest passed the Zionism is Racism resolution.
6chars
(3,967 posts)United nations is not automatically a good thing. If what nations unite over is Jew hatred, the UN is worse than worthless.
aranthus
(3,386 posts)The UN has always been representative of the interests of the leaders of the powerful governments of the world. It isn't a world parliament. It doesn't represent the the people of the world. It doesn't answer to world opinion (whatever that might be). It answers to the presidents, and prime ministers and the dictators (who are the majority of world leaders). It's the old boys club of the greatest thugs and thieves in history. It has no conscience. It seeks no common good. It never has. What you are seeing is not a recent development. It's business as usual since day one. What is a wonder is why anyone gives any heed to any of the resolutions that have ever issued from its halls.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Occupied Palestine2 (196 EX/26)
14. After considering this item, the Programme and External Relations Commission
recommended that the Executive Board adopt the following draft decision:
The Executive Board,
1. Having examined document 196 EX/26,
2. Recalling the provisions of the four Geneva Conventions (1949) and their additional
Protocols (1977), the 1907 Hague Regulations on Land Warfare, the Hague
Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict (1954)
and its additional Protocols, the Convention on the Means of Prohibiting and
Preventing the Illicit Import, Export and Transfer of Ownership of Cultural Property
(1970) and the Convention for the Protection of the World Cultural and Natural Heritage
(1972), the inscription of the Old City of Jerusalem and its Walls at the request of
Jordan on the World Heritage List (1981) and on the List in Danger (1982), and the
recommendations, resolutions and decisions of UNESCO on the protection of cultural
heritage, as well as resolutions and decisions of UNESCO relating to Jerusalem, also
recalling previous UNESCO decisions related to the reconstruction and development of
Gaza as well as UNESCO decisions on the two Palestinian sites in Hebron/Al-Khalil
and in Bethlehem,
3. Affirming that nothing in the present decision, which aims, inter alia, at the
safeguarding of the cultural heritage of Palestine and the distinctive character of East
Jerusalem, shall in any way affect the relevant Security Council and United Nations
resolutions and decisions on the legal status of Palestine and Jerusalem,
Part I
I.A Jerusalem
4. Deeply regrets the Israeli refusal to implement previous UNESCO decisions concerning
Jerusalem particularly 185 EX/Decision 14 and reiterates its request to the DirectorGeneral
to appoint, as soon as possible, a permanent and eminent expert(s) to be
stationed in East Jerusalem to report on a regular basis about all the aspects covering
all UNESCO fields of competence in East Jerusalem;
5. Deplores the failure of Israel, the Occupying Power, to cease the persistent
excavations and works in East Jerusalem, particularly in and around the Old City, and reiterates its request to Israel, the Occupying Power, to prohibit all such works in
conformity with its obligations under the provisions of the relevant UNESCO
conventions, resolutions and decisions;
6. Thanks the Director-General for her efforts to implement previous UNESCO decisions
on Jerusalem and asks her to maintain and reinvigorate such effort
I.B Al-Aqsa Mosque/Al-Haram Al-Sharif and its surroundings
I.B.1 Al-Aqsa Mosque/Al-Haram Al-Sharif
7. Also deplores the continuous Israeli violations, abuses, works and excavations such
as: closure and restrictions of access to the Muslim Holy Site Al-Aqsa Mosque/AlHaram
Al-Sharif, the attempts to change the pre-1967 status quo, the targeting of
civilians including religious figures, sheikhs, and priests, as well as all restoration works
near and around the mosque, further deplores the large number of arrests and injuries
in and around Al-Aqsa Mosque/Al-Haram Al-Sharif by the Israeli forces as well as the
frequent religious-extremists groups and uniformed forces intrusion into the Mosque
and urges Israel, the Occupying Power, to end these violations and abuses which
enflame the tension on the ground and between faiths;
8. Reaffirms, in this regard, the necessity to respect the protection and the safeguarding
of the authenticity, integrity, and cultural heritage of Al-Aqsa Mosque/Al-Haram AlSharif
and to respect the pre-1967 status quo and calls on Israel, the Occupying
Power, to stop the obstruction of the immediate execution of all the 19 Hashemite
restoration projects in and around Al-Aqsa Mosque/Al-Haram Al-Sharif;
9. Regrets the damage caused by Israeli security forces on 30 October 2014 to the
historic gates and windows of the Qibli Mosque inside Al-Aqsa Mosque/Al-Haram AlSharif,
which is a Moslem holy site of worship and an integral part of a World Heritage
Site;
10. Expresses its deep concern over the Israeli closure and ban of renovation of Al-Rahma
Gate building, one of Al-Aqsa Mosque/Al-Haram Al-Sharif gates, and urges Israel to
stop obstruction of the necessary restoration works, in order to fix the damage caused
by the weather conditions, especially the water leakage into the rooms of the building;
11. Further deplores the Israeli decision to approve: a plan to build a two-line cable car
system in East Jerusalem, the construction of the so-called “Kedem Center” a visitor
centre near the southern wall of Al-Aqsa Mosque/Al-Haram Al-Sharif, the so-called
“Liba House” project in the Old City of Jerusalem, the demolition and new construction
of the so-called Strauss Building and the project of the Western Wall elevator, and
further urges Israel, the Occupying Power, to renounce to the above mentioned
projects in conformity with its obligations under the relevant UNESCO conventions
particularly the Hague Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of
Armed Conflict of 1954 and its related protocols as well as UNESCO decisions
particularly the World Heritage Committee decision 37 COM/7A.26 and 38 COM/7A.4;
12. Notes the relative improvement of access of Muslim worshipers into Al-Aqsa
Mosque/Al-Haram Al-Sharif over the past four months, and urges Israel, the Occupying
Power, to take necessary measures to prevent provocative abuses that violate the
sanctity and integrity of Al-Aqsa Mosque/Al-Haram
I.B.2 The Ascent to the Mughrabi Gate in Al-Aqsa Mosque/Al-Haram Al-Sharif
13. Takes note of the 13th Reinforced Monitoring Report and all previous reports, together
with their addenda prepared by the World Heritage Centre as well as the State of
Conservation report submitted to the World Heritage Centre by the Hashemite
Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Palestine;
14. Deplores the persisting Israeli unilateral measures and decisions regarding the Ascent
to the Mughrabi Gate, including the expansion of the Western Wall plaza on the
account of the Islamic remains of the site and the enforced creation of a new Jewish
prayer platform, which has recently been expanded to create a new “wailing wall” area,
south of the Mughrabi Ascent and reaffirms that no Israeli unilateral measures, shall be
taken in conformity with its status and obligations under the Hague Convention for the
Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict of 1954;
15. Reiterates its thanks to Jordan for its cooperation and urges Israel, the Occupying
Power, to cooperate with Jordanian Awqaf Department, in conformity with its
obligations under the provisions of the UNESCO Convention referred to above, to
facilitate access of Jordanian Awqaf experts with their tools and material to the site in
order to enable the execution of the Jordanian design of the Ascent to the Mughrabi
Gate in accordance with UNESCO and World Heritage Committee decisions
particularly 37 COM/7A.26 and 38 COM/7A.4;
16. Thanks the Director-General for her attention to the sensitive situation of this matter
and asks her to take the necessary measures in order to enable the execution of the
Jordanian design of the Ascent to the Mughrabi Gate;
I.C The UNESCO Reactive Monitoring Mission to
the Old City of Jerusalem and its Walls
and
The UNESCO experts meeting on the Mughrabi Ascent
17. Regrets the continued Israeli failure to act in accordance with UNESCO and World
Heritage Committee decisions that request a UNESCO experts meeting on the
Mughrabi Ascent and the dispatch of a Reactive Monitoring Mission, as referred to in
the Operational Guidelines for the implementation of the World Heritage Convention
(1972), to the Old City of Jerusalem and its Walls, and urges Israel, the Occupying
Power, to accept and facilitate the implementation of the mentioned Mission and
Experts meeting in accordance with UNESCO decisions and in conformity with its
obligations under the provisions of UNESCO Conventions for the Protection of Cultural
Property and Cultural Heritage;
18. Invites the Director-General to take necessary measures to implement the abovementioned
Mission in accordance with World Heritage Committee decision
34 COM/7A.20, prior to the next 197th session of the Executive Board, also invites all
concerned parties to facilitate the implementation of that Mission and experts meeting;
19. Stresses the need of the urgent implementation of the above-mentioned UNESCO
mission and decides, in case of non-implementation prior to the 197th session of the
Executive Board, to consider, in conformity with the International Law, other means to
ensure its implementation;
20. Requests that the report and recommendations of the mission as well as the report of
the technical meeting on the Mughrabi Ascent, be presented to the concerned parties
prior to the next 197th session of the Executive Board;
http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0023/002327/232764e.pdf
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That document is from April 22.
The resolution was presented at the World Heritage Committee meeting in Bonn which took place in July.
Here's the actual resolution:
http://whc.unesco.org/archive/2015/whc15-39com-19-en.pdf
Nice try though.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)thread, which is a draft resolution, copy and paste the relevant parts if they indeed exist at all
my pdf was the draft resolutions that were adopted
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The draft resolution in question is not found on the pdf you provided. You claimed it was the resolution in question, but it isn't. Your pdf is from a meeting in April, months before the draft of the resolution was conceived let alone presented.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Occupied Palestine2 (196 EX/26)
14. After considering this item, the Programme and External Relations Commission
recommended that the Executive Board adopt the following draft decision:
The Executive Board,
1. Having examined document 196 EX/26,
2. Recalling the provisions of the four Geneva Conventions (1949) and their additional
Protocols (1977), the 1907 Hague Regulations on Land Warfare, the Hague
Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict (1954)
and its additional Protocols, the Convention on the Means of Prohibiting and
Preventing the Illicit Import, Export and Transfer of Ownership of Cultural Property
(1970) and the Convention for the Protection of the World Cultural and Natural Heritage
(1972), the inscription of the Old City of Jerusalem and its Walls at the request of
Jordan on the World Heritage List (1981) and on the List in Danger (1982), and the
recommendations, resolutions and decisions of UNESCO on the protection of cultural
heritage, as well as resolutions and decisions of UNESCO relating to Jerusalem, also
recalling previous UNESCO decisions related to the reconstruction and development of
Gaza as well as UNESCO decisions on the two Palestinian sites in Hebron/Al-Khalil
and in Bethlehem,
3. Affirming that nothing in the present decision, which aims, inter alia, at the
safeguarding of the cultural heritage of Palestine and the distinctive character of East
Jerusalem, shall in any way affect the relevant Security Council and United Nations
resolutions and decisions on the legal status of Palestine and Jerusalem,
Part I
I.A Jerusalem
4. Deeply regrets the Israeli refusal to implement previous UNESCO decisions concerning
Jerusalem particularly 185 EX/Decision 14 and reiterates its request to the DirectorGeneral
to appoint, as soon as possible, a permanent and eminent expert(s) to be
stationed in East Jerusalem to report on a regular basis about all the aspects covering
all UNESCO fields of competence in East Jerusalem;
5. Deplores the failure of Israel, the Occupying Power, to cease the persistent
excavations and works in East Jerusalem, particularly in and around the Old City, and reiterates its request to Israel, the Occupying Power, to prohibit all such works in
conformity with its obligations under the provisions of the relevant UNESCO
conventions, resolutions and decisions;
6. Thanks the Director-General for her efforts to implement previous UNESCO decisions
on Jerusalem and asks her to maintain and reinvigorate such effort
I.B Al-Aqsa Mosque/Al-Haram Al-Sharif and its surroundings
I.B.1 Al-Aqsa Mosque/Al-Haram Al-Sharif
7. Also deplores the continuous Israeli violations, abuses, works and excavations such
as: closure and restrictions of access to the Muslim Holy Site Al-Aqsa Mosque/AlHaram
Al-Sharif, the attempts to change the pre-1967 status quo, the targeting of
civilians including religious figures, sheikhs, and priests, as well as all restoration works
near and around the mosque, further deplores the large number of arrests and injuries
in and around Al-Aqsa Mosque/Al-Haram Al-Sharif by the Israeli forces as well as the
frequent religious-extremists groups and uniformed forces intrusion into the Mosque
and urges Israel, the Occupying Power, to end these violations and abuses which
enflame the tension on the ground and between faiths;
8. Reaffirms, in this regard, the necessity to respect the protection and the safeguarding
of the authenticity, integrity, and cultural heritage of Al-Aqsa Mosque/Al-Haram AlSharif
and to respect the pre-1967 status quo and calls on Israel, the Occupying
Power, to stop the obstruction of the immediate execution of all the 19 Hashemite
restoration projects in and around Al-Aqsa Mosque/Al-Haram Al-Sharif;
9. Regrets the damage caused by Israeli security forces on 30 October 2014 to the
historic gates and windows of the Qibli Mosque inside Al-Aqsa Mosque/Al-Haram AlSharif,
which is a Moslem holy site of worship and an integral part of a World Heritage
Site;
10. Expresses its deep concern over the Israeli closure and ban of renovation of Al-Rahma
Gate building, one of Al-Aqsa Mosque/Al-Haram Al-Sharif gates, and urges Israel to
stop obstruction of the necessary restoration works, in order to fix the damage caused
by the weather conditions, especially the water leakage into the rooms of the building;
11. Further deplores the Israeli decision to approve: a plan to build a two-line cable car
system in East Jerusalem, the construction of the so-called “Kedem Center” a visitor
centre near the southern wall of Al-Aqsa Mosque/Al-Haram Al-Sharif, the so-called
“Liba House” project in the Old City of Jerusalem, the demolition and new construction
of the so-called Strauss Building and the project of the Western Wall elevator, and
further urges Israel, the Occupying Power, to renounce to the above mentioned
projects in conformity with its obligations under the relevant UNESCO conventions
particularly the Hague Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of
Armed Conflict of 1954 and its related protocols as well as UNESCO decisions
particularly the World Heritage Committee decision 37 COM/7A.26 and 38 COM/7A.4;
12. Notes the relative improvement of access of Muslim worshipers into Al-Aqsa
Mosque/Al-Haram Al-Sharif over the past four months, and urges Israel, the Occupying
Power, to take necessary measures to prevent provocative abuses that violate the
sanctity and integrity of Al-Aqsa Mosque/Al-Haram
I.B.2 The Ascent to the Mughrabi Gate in Al-Aqsa Mosque/Al-Haram Al-Sharif
13. Takes note of the 13th Reinforced Monitoring Report and all previous reports, together
with their addenda prepared by the World Heritage Centre as well as the State of
Conservation report submitted to the World Heritage Centre by the Hashemite
Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Palestine;
14. Deplores the persisting Israeli unilateral measures and decisions regarding the Ascent
to the Mughrabi Gate, including the expansion of the Western Wall plaza on the
account of the Islamic remains of the site and the enforced creation of a new Jewish
prayer platform, which has recently been expanded to create a new “wailing wall” area,
south of the Mughrabi Ascent and reaffirms that no Israeli unilateral measures, shall be
taken in conformity with its status and obligations under the Hague Convention for the
Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict of 1954;
15. Reiterates its thanks to Jordan for its cooperation and urges Israel, the Occupying
Power, to cooperate with Jordanian Awqaf Department, in conformity with its
obligations under the provisions of the UNESCO Convention referred to above, to
facilitate access of Jordanian Awqaf experts with their tools and material to the site in
order to enable the execution of the Jordanian design of the Ascent to the Mughrabi
Gate in accordance with UNESCO and World Heritage Committee decisions
particularly 37 COM/7A.26 and 38 COM/7A.4;
16. Thanks the Director-General for her attention to the sensitive situation of this matter
and asks her to take the necessary measures in order to enable the execution of the
Jordanian design of the Ascent to the Mughrabi Gate;
I.C The UNESCO Reactive Monitoring Mission to
the Old City of Jerusalem and its Walls
and
The UNESCO experts meeting on the Mughrabi Ascent
17. Regrets the continued Israeli failure to act in accordance with UNESCO and World
Heritage Committee decisions that request a UNESCO experts meeting on the
Mughrabi Ascent and the dispatch of a Reactive Monitoring Mission, as referred to in
the Operational Guidelines for the implementation of the World Heritage Convention
(1972), to the Old City of Jerusalem and its Walls, and urges Israel, the Occupying
Power, to accept and facilitate the implementation of the mentioned Mission and
Experts meeting in accordance with UNESCO decisions and in conformity with its
obligations under the provisions of UNESCO Conventions for the Protection of Cultural
Property and Cultural Heritage;
18. Invites the Director-General to take necessary measures to implement the abovementioned
Mission in accordance with World Heritage Committee decision
34 COM/7A.20, prior to the next 197th session of the Executive Board, also invites all
concerned parties to facilitate the implementation of that Mission and experts meeting;
19. Stresses the need of the urgent implementation of the above-mentioned UNESCO
mission and decides, in case of non-implementation prior to the 197th session of the
Executive Board, to consider, in conformity with the International Law, other means to
ensure its implementation;
20. Requests that the report and recommendations of the mission as well as the report of
the technical meeting on the Mughrabi Ascent, be presented to the concerned parties
prior to the next 197th session of the Executive Board;
http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0023/002327/232764e.pdf
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Once again, that is not the resolution.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)is it too difficult?
17. Recalling 176 EX/Special Plenary Meeting Decision, and all UNESCO Executive Board Decisions relating to the Ascent to the Mughrabi Gate in the Old City of Jerusalem,
18. Affirms that the Mughrabi Ascent is an integral and inseparable part of Al Aqsa Mosque/ Al-Haram Al-Sharif,
19. Takes into consideration all the previous Reinforced Monitoring Reports and their addenda prepared by the World Heritage Centre as well as the State of Conservation report submitted to the World Heritage Centre by the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Palestine,
20. Expresses its growing concern regarding the continuous, intrusive demolitions and illegal excavations in and around the Mughrabi Gate Ascent, and the latest excavation works conducted at the beginning of May 2015 at the Buraq Plaza (Western Wall) of Al-Aqsa Mosque/ Al-Haram Al-Sharif, and calls on Israel, the Occupying Power, to end such violations, respect the Status Quo, and enable the Jordanian Awaqf experts as a part of the competent national authorities to maintain and safeguard the site in accordance with the relevant provisions of the UNESCO Conventions and Recommendations in particular the Hague Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict of 1954 and its related protocols;
Decisions adopted by the World Heritage Committee WHC-15/39.COM/19, page 42 at its 39th session (Bonn, 2015)
21. Commends the Jordanian design for the restoration and preservation of the Mughrabi Ascent, submitted to the World Heritage Centre on 27 May 2011, and thanks Jordan for its cooperation in accordance with the provisions of the relevant UNESCO Conventions for the Protection of Cultural Heritage;
22. Urges Israel, the Occupying Power, to cooperate with Jordanian Awqaf Department, in conformity with its obligations under the provisions of the UNESCO related Conventions, to facilitate access of Jordanian Awqaf experts with their tools and material to the site in order to enable the execution of the Jordanian design of the Ascent to the Mughrabi Gate;
23. Further expresses its deep concern regarding demolitions of Ummayad, Ottoman and Mamluk remains at the site of the Mughrabi Gate Pathway, and urges Israel, the Occupying Power, to abide by its obligations in this regard;
24. Thanks the Director-General for her attention to the sensitive situation of the Ascent to the Mughrabi Gate and asks her to take the necessary measures in order to enable the execution of the Jordanian design of the Ascent to the Mughrabi Gate;
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)And what is at the entire crux of the issue.
Namely the idea of identifying the Western Wall as being part of Al-Aqsa.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)as opposed to is definitely
20. Expresses its growing concern regarding the continuous, intrusive demolitions and illegal excavations in and around the Mughrabi Gate Ascent, and the latest excavation works conducted at the beginning of May 2015 at the Buraq Plaza (Western Wall) of Al-Aqsa Mosque/ Al-Haram Al-Sharif, and calls on Israel, the Occupying Power, to end such violations, respect the Status Quo, and enable the Jordanian Awaqf experts as a part of the competent national authorities to maintain and safeguard the site in accordance with the relevant provisions of the UNESCO Conventions and Recommendations in particular the Hague Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict of 1954 and its related protocols;
oberliner
(58,724 posts)18. Affirms that the Mughrabi Ascent is an integral and inseparable part of Al Aqsa Mosque/ Al-Haram Al-Sharif,
In the most recent draft, "Buraq Plaza" has replaced "Mughrabi Ascent" - which is what has set off this firestorm.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)it is the access point to the Temple mount and Israel has closed it for 'renovation'
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The Buraq Plaza is now in the draft text along with the Mughrabi Ascent.
The Buraq Plaza is the Western Wall.
That's the controversy.
I don't understand why you are confused about this.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)all documents produced say Mughrabi Assent. This however was struck from the resolution
http://www.timesofisrael.com/unesco-condemns-israeli-aggression-on-temple-mount/
which in light of Bokova's statement makes sense
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And now it looks like it won't be, which is a good thing.
I hope you will agree.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)apparently you did not read the link
oberliner
(58,724 posts)You are confusing different resolutions with one another.
In any case, here's an article about the actual resolution they ended up with:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/22/world/middleeast/unesco-jerusalem-al-aqsa-mosque-western-wall.html
It's pretty bad, but not as bad as de-Judaizing the Western Wall.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)but thanks for your efforts
DetlefK
(16,454 posts)The Western Wall is a jewish archaeological site. You can't just declare it part of something that was built later.
shira
(30,109 posts)Here we go again with pure unadulterated Jew hatred.
Someone needs to tell the UN it's 2016, not 1216.
Meeting in Paris, the organization ignored the Jewish connection to Jerusalem sites in a resolution that passed with 33 votes in favor, six against, and 17 abstained, and referenced only the Al-Aksa Mosque and the Al-Haram Al-Sharif (Temple Mount). The Western Wall area was referenced as the Al-Buraq Plaza. Last year UNESCO refused to reclassify the Wall as a Muslim site.
France, Spain, Sweden, Russia and Slovenia were among the non-Arab nations who supported the resolution. Estonia, Germany, Lithuania, The Netherlands, the United Kingdom and the United States objected.
The resolution accused Israel of planting “fake Jewish graves” in eastern Jerusalem. This claim is especially enraging, since the old Jewish cemetery on Mount Olives was desecrated by the Jordanians before 1967, with its tombstones being used to pave roads.
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/unesco-jews-have-no-connection-to-the-temple-mount/2016/04/16/
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)when the whole temple mount being part of al asqa occurred. Got to see the Secy General of the UN at the King David trying to smooth everything over before the Palestinians managed to use the UN to start another war. They're trying it again, it seems. They never learn a lesson. It's pathetic and nothing but anti-semetic bullshit. It's why Americans feel the way they do about Israel and will never favor the Palestinians. Because of shit like this.
shira
(30,109 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)but yes, both are trying to erase history. That UNESCO tries it with the veneer of diplomatic language doesn't make it any less venal.
shira
(30,109 posts)...Bokova said in her letter that the decision to thus define the Temple Mount was a political decision and that Bokova herself was opposed to it.
"This decision was made by the economic council and the management council of UNESCO which are both management bodies, and was not made by me," she wrote.
The letter continues, "I published a statement immediately after the council meeting ended where I said, 'Jerusalem is a Holy Land of the three monotheistic religions, a place of dialogue for all Jewish, Christian and Muslim people, nothing should be undertaken to alter its integrity and authenticity. It is a mosaic of cultures and peoples, whose history has shaped the history of all humanity. Only respect and dialogue can build the trust we need to move forward – this is the strength of UNESCO, for the benefit of all.'"
Bokova's letter then went on to state, "I've said several times in the past that it should be forbidden to politicize UNESCO. As the director general, I took a clear stance regarding circumstances which might have inflamed already heated issues in the Middle East, the Old City of Jerusalem and its walls, which are both recognized as UNESCO World Heritage Sites."
According to Bokova, the organization promotes interests which are important to Israel.
"Perhaps you remember the special event UNESCO had in cooperation with the Wiesenthal Center called 'People, Book, Land,' an event which presented the 3,500 year connection of the Jewish Nation with the holy land, and which was held in the Knesset on November 30, 2015. I am determined to work towards the goal of strengthening and building trust between us based on respect and mutual understanding, which are two driving principals of UNESCO," the letter said.
The letter concluded by saying, "In closing, I want to promise you that my efforts to combat anti-Semitism and violence will continue."
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4794281,00.html