Israelis Split on US Election

[ericson00]

http://www.jta.org/2016/04/13/news-opinion/united-states/israelis-say-lawmakers-should-consider-wishes-of-us-jews-poll-finds

Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton finished in a statistical dead heat as the most pro-Israel U.S. presidential candidate, according to a poll of Israelis.

Some 33 percent of respondents picked Trump, the Republican Party’s front-runner, as the most pro-Israel among the candidates, and 31 percent chose Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton, according to the findings released Wednesday by the Ruderman Family Foundation.

But the margin of error was plus or minus 4 percentage points, making for the statistical tie.

That's pretty good given how Obama's Israel policy flopped (tho his environmental, LGB, and economic policies were good) and how he tried to make the Muslim world like America, to no avail. Once Trump's isolationism and nutcase fans comes further to the fore, I think Hillary will pull ahead there. Israel is the only free country, per Freedom House, in the Middle East.

Israel and America stand together forever against Islamist terror.

[Scootaloo]

1. As soon as they apply for Statehood, I will give a fuck

[King_David]

5. I give a fuck and Meanwhile probably more people do give a fuck about that,

Than the number of people giving a fuck if you do or not ....

[Scootaloo]

7. Israel's opinion of Us elections is as meaningless as Saudi Arabia's

if Shitty Little Client States want a say, Shitty Little Client States need to get in line behind current US territories seeking statehood. Guam counts more than Israel. So do our uninhabited territories. Sea turtles crawling around on Howland island get a say in our politics before anyone in a Shitty Little Client State, and their say carries far more weight.

[King_David]

8. As I said you not giving a fuck ( as you said)

Is not really that relevant or important to just about anyone else.

[Scootaloo]

11. It is, however, reality-based

Israelis don't get to vote in our elections. No US election is decided on Israel's opinions. Because - as I also said - Israel is one of our Shitty Little Client States. They will take what the US delivers, and if they don't like it, no one asked. Since Israelis don't get to vote, they don't count for shit. And therefor, I do not give a fuck about their opinions on the subject, because as I said, those opinions matter less than those of flippered sea-reptiles crawling around on an abandoned island.

If some hill-dwelling yahoo in a knit cap who believes he has a literal god-given right to kill his neighbors and take their stuff while fucking his sister thinks something about the US elections, then he better fucking live in West Virginia and not the West bank if he wants his voice to count.

[King_David]

14. Your breathless post is extremist ,OTT , and provocative

We all know what's coming on next ....

USS Liberty crap and Zionist this that and the other.

There's been a lot of this recently in this group....most of us just ignore it .... It's getting boring .

[Scootaloo]

16. Think so? Hold your breath and wait for it

Naw, i'm just using hyperbolic rhetoric to mock the idea that I should care what non-Americans think of American elections. Especially non-Americans in one of our Shitty Little Client States.

But you keep on with your wishful thinking, chief.

[oberliner]

18. What about folks in Europe, South America, Africa, or Asia?

Do their opinions about the US elections also not interest you at all?

[AgerolanAmerican]

2. They don't get to vote

it's not their business so they can pike off

[ericson00]

4. I like having reliable allies without serious

immigration/refugee problems like European countries have.

[AgerolanAmerican]

9. We don't have any allies

we have dependents.

If we stopped handing out money like candy to a hundred other countries, we'd find out in short order how many true allies we have: none.

And we probably don't deserve any, with this country's record of unjustified widespread violence, strongarming, subterfuge and serial betrayals.

[ericson00]

10. ok Donald

n/t

[Scootaloo]

12. No no, Donald's pro-israel, read the OP

Evidently, according to Israelis themselves, hating Muslims is the same as loving Israel.

[King_David]

15. Have you read the posts in this thread?

It really is attracting bizarre weird borderline posts...
Especially for a Democratic Party supporting site.

[Little Tich]

3. Donald Trump is a lot of things, but pro-Israel? That wouldn't be how I would describe him. n/t

[King_David]

6. Agreed

[catnhatnh]

13. Your vetting source Freedom House

is a CIA front. A supposed NGO, 80% of their funding is from the US government.
"According to its website, Freedom House "emerged from an amalgamation of two groups that had been formed, with the quiet encouragement of President Franklin D. Roosevelt, to encourage popular support for American involvement in World War II at a time when isolationist sentiments were running high in the United States."[9] Several groups, in fact, were aggressively supporting U.S. entry into the war and in early autumn 1941, when various group activities began to overlap, the Fight for Freedom Committee began exploring a mass merger. George Field then conceived the idea of all of the groups maintaining their separate identities under one roof — Freedom House — to promote the concrete application of the principles of freedom.[6]:293"

"After the war, as its website states, "Freedom House took up the struggle against the other twentieth century totalitarian threat, Communism.... The organization's leadership was convinced that the spread of democracy would be the best weapon against totalitarian ideologies."[9] Freedom House supported the Marshall Plan and the establishment of NATO.[9] Freedom House also supported the Johnson Administration's Vietnam War policies.[16]"

"The Financial Times has reported that Freedom House is one of several organizations selected by the State Department to receive funding for 'clandestine activities' inside Iran.[54] In a research study, Freedom House sets out its conclusions: "Far more often than is generally understood, the change agent is broad-based, non-violent civic resistance - which employs tactics such as boycotts, mass protests, blockades, strikes and civil disobedience to de-legitimate authoritarian rulers and erode their sources of support, including the loyalty of their armed defenders."[54]"

"Freedom House states that its Board of Trustees is composed of "business and labor leaders, former senior government officials, scholars, writers, and journalists". All board members are current residents of the United States. It does not identify itself with either of the American Republican or the Democratic parties. Members of the organization's board of directors include Kenneth Adelman, Farooq Kathwari, Azar Nafisi, Mark Palmer, P.J. O'Rourke and Lawrence Lessig,[2] while past board-members have included Zbigniew Brzezinski, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Samuel Huntington, Mara Liasson, Otto Reich, Donald Rumsfeld, Whitney North Seymour, Paul Wolfowitz, Steve Forbes and Bayard Rustin."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_House

If I had a democracy I wouldn't let these neocon bastards within a million miles of it...

[ericson00]

17. so what kind of source do you want?

A Russian source like Pravda? An Islamist source like PressTV? A Pan-Arabist source like Al Jazeera?

Bayard Rustin, Lawrence Lessig, Mara Liasson are not conservatives. Yes there are some conservatives as well as liberals and moderates with Freedom House; is that a bad thing?

America's not perfect and I'll call out its mistakes, but I still love it. I'm not gonna discredit everything that's associated with it, like Freedom House.