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Israeli

(4,293 posts)
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:01 AM Apr 2016

Simone Zimmerman, the Latest Victim of the U.S. Jewish Right's Witch Hunt

The vicious offensive by the Jewish Right and its mainstream collaborators against Simone Zimmerman is just part of their ongoing attempts to choke the justice-based Jewish politics she represents.

M. Dove Kent Apr 15, 2016

There is a growing community of Jews in this country who understand that nobody is free until everybody’s free. Simone Zimmerman embodies this emerging vision. But the fist of the Jewish establishment is clenched too tightly to allow for this direction to a viable, just, and dignified Jewish future.

The Bernie Sanders campaign made a visionary choice earlier this week by hiring Zimmerman to be its Jewish Outreach Coordinator. But perhaps Sanders should have known that the Jewish community is one place that’s not ready for a political revolution.
Zimmerman represents a new generation of Jewish leaders and a new Jewish politics - deeply committed to the Jewish community and equally committed to justice: white Jews and Jews of color, Mizrahim, Sephardim, and Ashkenazim, working for a just future for all.

This new generation extends beyond narrow identities and takes action in service of racial justice and economic justice that extend beyond borders. Yet the Jewish establishment, deeply informed and driven by a politic of fear, is trying its best to choke this growing vision.

The vicious offensive against Zimmerman by the Jewish Right combined with the lack of support from the Jewish mainstream – leading to her suspension from her job on Thursday – is not isolated, new, or even surprising. Jews, Palestinians, and others who speak out against the Israeli occupation and for the humanity of Palestinians have reported being fired, intimidated, monitored, threatened, censored and attacked for many years. 

Continued: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.714647
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Simone Zimmerman, the Latest Victim of the U.S. Jewish Right's Witch Hunt (Original Post) Israeli Apr 2016 OP
sorry, but you don't hire a polarizing figure as your Jewish Outreach Coordinator, to try and bring still_one Apr 2016 #1
She posted "F-ck you, Bibi" on FB oberliner Apr 2016 #2
That's nothing compared to her BDS advocacy & being pals w/Max Blumenthal. shira Apr 2016 #3
What do you think will happen in NY? oberliner Apr 2016 #4
Hillary. Big. n/t shira Apr 2016 #6
Double digits? oberliner Apr 2016 #8
This could have been leftynyc Apr 2016 #23
Yes I was surprised that she won by so much oberliner Apr 2016 #24
Ok yeah, double digits. LoL. n/t shira Apr 2016 #26
It was quite impressive oberliner Apr 2016 #28
That was a joke, 2 days after the fact. But I'm not at all surprised Hillary won. shira Apr 2016 #29
It's very easy and quite lazy actually, to bash Bibi..he is such an asshole. What her objective Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #5
This article is really crap King_David Apr 2016 #7
I think there are several separate American Jewish communities oberliner Apr 2016 #9
You think there's a large percentage of AntiZionists ? King_David Apr 2016 #10
Small but young (mostly), vocal, and politically active oberliner Apr 2016 #11
Think people will maintain views at young age as they get older ? King_David Apr 2016 #12
Good question oberliner Apr 2016 #14
Yea , I think Netanyahu takes for granted Bipartisan support King_David Apr 2016 #15
He needs to go oberliner Apr 2016 #16
Good answers in this thread oberliner .... Israeli Apr 2016 #17
That's why Hamas likes to stir things up whenever peace seems on the horizon oberliner Apr 2016 #18
They are not the only ones that " likes to stir things up whenever peace seems on the horizon " Israeli Apr 2016 #19
That's true oberliner Apr 2016 #20
Happy we can agree on that at least .... Israeli Apr 2016 #21
There is definitely a sizable anti-occupation movement among American Jews oberliner Apr 2016 #22
I'm anti the illegal settlements leftynyc Apr 2016 #25
This we know ....they communicate with us on facebook .... Israeli Apr 2016 #37
Zimmerman is just another asshole wanting to make inroads w/ naive people & haters. shira Apr 2016 #38
So what's the solution? Simply withdraw all the way back to the '49 lines? shira Apr 2016 #27
One can be right on the merits and wrong on the politics. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #13
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #30
What's he talking about , the "Jewish Right "? King_David Apr 2016 #31
It means anyone not as extreme as Max Blumenthal. n/t shira Apr 2016 #32
Max Blumenthal is hardly a Democrat King_David Apr 2016 #33
Exactly. The point is to delegitimize any criticism so they pretend "rightwingers".... shira Apr 2016 #34
That is their tactic... King_David Apr 2016 #35
When it comes to I/P their views are extremely Rightwing so they're just projecting. shira Apr 2016 #36

still_one

(96,485 posts)
1. sorry, but you don't hire a polarizing figure as your Jewish Outreach Coordinator, to try and bring
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:33 AM
Apr 2016

the Jewish voter into the fold.

One of the dumbest moves the Sanders campaign made.

Your link is an opinion piece, from someone who lives in New York, and obviously has no idea what the purpose of the Jewish Outreach Coordinator is. It is also NOT representative of the New York Jewish vote, as the polls indicate.

There was a reason Sanders suspended her, because he screwed up in his choice




 

shira

(30,109 posts)
3. That's nothing compared to her BDS advocacy & being pals w/Max Blumenthal.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 06:51 AM
Apr 2016

The spin doctors are trying to portray her only as a mere critic of Israel when she's far more than that.

Seems Bernie feels he has to pander to the regressive Left. Without them, he stands no chance against Hillary.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
23. This could have been
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:43 PM
Apr 2016

one of the reasons Bernie did so poorly in NY this week. I too thought it was going to be MUCH closer. She blew him out.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
24. Yes I was surprised that she won by so much
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:49 PM
Apr 2016

I thought Bernie would've made more of a dent among African-Americans but he still seems unable to do well with that demographic.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
29. That was a joke, 2 days after the fact. But I'm not at all surprised Hillary won.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:30 PM
Apr 2016

I didn't think it would be double digits.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
5. It's very easy and quite lazy actually, to bash Bibi..he is such an asshole. What her objective
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:05 PM
Apr 2016

was, to do an outreach, but that she had already made inflammatory statements places
her unfit for the role. I have to wonder if they were aware of her prior statements.
If they had been measured without the polemic twist and relied only on facts, she
could have made a difference.

This is not about whether Bibi is an ass or not, it is about knowing how to communicate.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
9. I think there are several separate American Jewish communities
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:46 PM
Apr 2016

And there isn't a lot of common ground among them.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
11. Small but young (mostly), vocal, and politically active
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:35 PM
Apr 2016

I would estimate that the number of American Jews in this category is around one out of twelve or so. Among minimally observant or secular Jews, I would say the percentage a good bit higher. Narrow further to secular millennials and it would be ever higher (one out of three or four maybe?). On the left, where most non-religious Jews reside, I think the trend is definitely away from supporting the concept of Zionism.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
14. Good question
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 06:11 PM
Apr 2016

I think a lot has to do with what happens with Israel in the future. I think a lot of young, secular Jewish Americans are turned off by the conservative leadership that has been in power in Israel for a while now. If they were to elect someone more like Rabin and/or if some kind of permanent peace deal was reached with the Palestinians, then I think that would have a significant impact. I think there is a real split among the Jewish community in the US and if Israel keeps electing leaders like Netanyahu they will find that their support in the US will come mostly from Republicans, conservatives, and fundamentalist Christian types, especially as those folks who were actually alive when Israel became a country begin to die out. Israel itself seems to be incredibly divided as to the direction that it wants to take as a country as well, but I speak as an observer from the US so I might not have a true handle on that. As for me personally, I still lament the fact that the events leading up to this photo did not lead to a more positive future for all.

Israeli

(4,293 posts)
17. Good answers in this thread oberliner ....
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 01:19 AM
Apr 2016

Another thing to think about .....if hostilities should break out again this summer with Gaza , and right now things are not looking good all the signs are there .....and it becomes another PR fiasco like the last time ....you are going to loose even more of your " young, secular Jewish Americans ".

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
18. That's why Hamas likes to stir things up whenever peace seems on the horizon
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:24 AM
Apr 2016

They don't like the idea of any sort of deal or compromise being made so they goad Israel into fighting like they did when Hamas vehemently opposed the Oslo Accords. Dead Palestinians is good PR for Hamas.

Israeli

(4,293 posts)
19. They are not the only ones that " likes to stir things up whenever peace seems on the horizon "
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:59 AM
Apr 2016

Our religious Right wing " don't like the idea of any sort of deal or compromise being made " either .

One is just as bad as the other oberliner.

Kind of getting of topic tho .....what do you make of this ?

http://972mag.com/a-new-era-of-anti-occupation-judaism/118705/

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
22. There is definitely a sizable anti-occupation movement among American Jews
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:37 AM
Apr 2016

Especially younger folks who are college students.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
25. I'm anti the illegal settlements
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:55 PM
Apr 2016

I just don't let that turn me into an apologist for terrorists.

Israeli

(4,293 posts)
37. This we know ....they communicate with us on facebook ....
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:06 AM
Apr 2016
https://www.facebook.com/GushShalom/

https://www.facebook.com/PeaceNowIsrael

I think Simone Zimmerman should at least have a say in this thread :

American Jewish Millennials Aren't Disengaged From Israel, We're Angry

We don’t need any more multi-million dollar ventures, like the 'Jewish Peace Corps' Ari Shavit suggests, to save us. We need the Jewish community to wake up to the disastrous reality of the occupation.

Simone Zimmerman Feb 29, 2016

The anxiety in the American Jewish establishment over “what is happening to our young people” is reaching a fever pitch of absurdity, as communal leaders and spokespeople frantically try to remedy the symptoms while refusing to acknowledge the true root of the problem: We're not disengaging from Israel, in fact we're paying attention to what's happening in Israel - and we are angry. 

The latest edition in this ongoing category error is Ari Shavit’s epiphany ('Only a 'Jewish Peace Corps' Can Save Zionism From Its Millennial Crisis') that, to save the Jewish future and Israel’s public image, we need a “Jewish Peace Corps" which would be "a joint venture between Israel and the Diaspora,” that will engage young people in “universal do-gooding,” from Yerucham to Rahat to Ferguson.

Shavit dreams for the day that Israel will be identified with human rights and “the effort to make the world a better place,” instead of with, “occupation, oppression, settlements, fanaticism and reactionary-ism.”  

The hypocrisy of expecting feel-good social justice projects to offset millennials’ deep outrage at the grave injustices committed by the Jewish state is almost too much to bear. 
 
Shavit blames the Israeli government because it, “refuses to understand and internalize,” the crisis among Jewish millennials. Yet, it is Shavit himself, and every Jewish establishment leader peddling similar arguments, who refuse to understand and internalize this crisis.  
 
My peers and I don’t need any more multi-million dollar ventures to save us. What we need is for the community to wake up. 
 
What we need is for the community to stop willfully blinding itself to the disastrous reality of holding millions of Palestinians under military occupation.

We need the community to stop justifying policies that deny Palestinians the ability to move freely, to sleep safely in their homes without the fear of a military raid, to access water and resources, to live without terror that their homes could be bombed to rubble, and to protest the unjust conditions of their lives nonviolently. None of these policies are moral, and none of these policies make Jews safer.
 
Moreover, we need the community to stop policing and demonizing those of us who say these truths in public and are fighting for change. We need the community to stop holing itself up behind walls and tanks and guns, as well as behind redlines and standards of partnership. 
We are not too naive to understand what is going on or so selfish as to be lured away by more free programming.  Listen to us when we say that the status quo is unbearable and untenable. The community as it stands today is a community we refuse to participate in.

No public relations trick can save Israel’s image. The problem isn’t with the hasbara. The problem is nearly 50 years of occupation. The problem is rampant racism in Israeli society. The problem is attacks on human rights defenders by extremists and by the state.  The problem is a Jewish establishment that ignores or justifies all of this.

Sending young, mostly Ashkenazi Jews to do volunteer work with Bedouins in Rahat or African Americans in Ferguson to demonstrate solidarity with people of color is completely missing the point. We hear those people saying the same thing we hear from Palestinians: that band aids and kind words won’t end state-sponsored racism and violence. 

It is insulting to young Jews’ intelligence, and to communities leading their own struggles against oppression, to expect that another “do-gooding” program can mask the violent abuse Israel inflicts upon the human beings living under its rule every day.  No amount of so-called “social justice activism” around the world can distract or make us care less about that. Nothing, except actually addressing it.
 
Despite the panic about the disengagement of young people from the community, across the country I see principled, courageous, loving, and yes, incredibly angry young people calling on the establishment to change course, to actually do something to end the occupation instead of simply paying lip service to it. 

I see J Street U demanding transparency from Jewish Federations to ensure their funding is not further entrenching the occupation. I see Open Hillel insisting Hillel allow a vibrant debate about Zionism and BDS inside its walls. I see Jewish Voice for Peace calling on international corporations to stop profiting off human rights abuses.

I see the Center for Jewish Nonviolence bringing American Jews to do civil resistance work in solidarity with West Bank Palestinians. I see IfNotNow building a mass movement to challenge our community to genuinely stand for freedom and dignity for all in Israel/Palestine. 

We millennials have one simple question for our community’s leaders: do you support equal rights for all people and if so, what are you going to do about it? 

We are doing this out of love for our community and love for our neighbors. We know that Jewish liberation is inextricably tied to the liberation of all people.

My generation isn’t disaffected; we’re passionate and we’re mobilizing. The question is not whether my generation will remain Jewish; it’s whether our parents and grandparents will follow our lead as we build the kind of Jewish community that celebrates universal values and struggles for justice.  

Those who truly want to help young Jews connect to the Jewish world should live out the values they profess. Fight for an end to the occupation and for freedom and dignity for all in Israel/Palestine. Commit to restoring the moral soul of the Jewish community. Prove to young people that this is a community worth believing in.  

You have a choice. 

Simone Zimmerman is an activist and organizer based in Brooklyn NY. She is a leader of IfNotNow, an emerging movement of young American Jews working to end their community's support for the occupation. Follow her on Twitter: @simonerzim

Simone Zimmerman
Haaretz Contributor

Source: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.706175
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
38. Zimmerman is just another asshole wanting to make inroads w/ naive people & haters.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:43 AM
Apr 2016

Get out of the W.Bank! Do it! Do it now! What's your problem? Just do it!

OK fine, then what?

When Hamas takes over and the first mortar round or rocket hits Ben Gurion airport or in downtown Tel Aviv or in Jerusalem....

Then what?

What I find is that these folks don't really know why the vast majority of Israelis find it idiotic to just end the occupation on a dime. Either they don't know, don't want to know, or don't give a shit. Which points to a bigger problem...

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
27. So what's the solution? Simply withdraw all the way back to the '49 lines?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:09 PM
Apr 2016

Expel all settlers?

Is that your solution?

Response to Israeli (Original post)

King_David

(14,851 posts)
31. What's he talking about , the "Jewish Right "?
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 06:11 AM
Apr 2016

Jewish support for Republican Party is but a small minority.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
33. Max Blumenthal is hardly a Democrat
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:21 AM
Apr 2016

And has 180 degrees opposite view to Democratic Party policy on the issue.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
34. Exactly. The point is to delegitimize any criticism so they pretend "rightwingers"....
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:32 AM
Apr 2016

....are the ones who have a problem with them.

They want to appear as though they're within the mainstream and that only extremists would have a problem with them. They hate - and I mean absolutely loathe - liberals and people left of center. No Democrats in their right mind represent them in either Congress or the Senate. They think Obama is too rightwing on Israel. They're poison to the Democratic Party.

The truth is they're the Rightwingers who defend and support Hamas, never speaking up for Palestinian women, gays, or children persecuted by their fascist leadership. Their goal is 1-state run by Hamas or Islamic Jihad with absolutely no liberal or progressive values whatsoever.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
36. When it comes to I/P their views are extremely Rightwing so they're just projecting.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:39 AM
Apr 2016

What are they doing for Palestinian women, gays, and children persecuted by fanatical Hamas/PLO regressives?

Nothing.

What are they doing to promote liberal and progressive values in the Palestinian community?

Nothing.

Which liberal/progressive leader within the Palestinian movement do they back?

No one.

They're Rightwing Nutters. More likely to support Hamas' goals than anything liberal or progressive.

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