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appalachiablue

(42,896 posts)
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 04:29 AM Mar 2020

Aphantasia: A Life Without Mental Images, Living With No 'Mind's Eye'

- Aphantasia: ‘I can’t visualise my own children.’ BBC News, Health, Nov. 6, 2016.

Imagine a horse. You can probably picture one in your head. But if you're one of the 2% of people who live with "aphantasia" then you'll see nothing. You know what a horse is, you know it has got four legs, but you just can't visualise one. Aphantasia is a phenomenon which has only recently been defined by scientists. [Aphantasia: A life without mental images] Many people with it don't have a clue that they are different to anyone else. When we discussed it on the Jeremy Vine Show on BBC Radio 2 a number of listeners came forward to tell us that we were describing their experience of life; that they had aphantasia. Adam Zeman, a professor of cognitive and behavioural neurology, coined the term aphantasia with his team at the University of Exeter.

He said: "It's a lack of the mind's eye. An inability to visualise. It's an intriguing variation in experience, rather than a problematic condition; it's not a disease." Aphantasia can have an impact on memory, because people are unable to visually recall moments in their life. Prof Zeman says that as many as one in 50 people have aphantasia. He says people either tend to have it or not - rather than experiencing it to different degrees of severity: "There is quite a big spread in the range of how well people visualise things.

"But anyone with aphantasia is way off the scale. So, in broad terms, most people without aphantasia can visualise quite vividly. But anyone who does have it cannot." Some Radio 2 listeners were astonished to find their experience of life being described on national radio: Rosie Edge, 63, Broadstairs: "Listening to the programme, I found myself hearing someone describe exactly what I experience. "My husband's always told me it was weird. Until you actually verbalise it, you don't realise it's different. I have two grown-up sons. If I think of them I don't get a picture in my mind.

"The first time I ever thought about it was when I had a conversation with my husband when I was in my 50s. "We were talking about relaxation techniques and he said, 'Picture being by the sea in Cornwall.'" I said, 'Well, I can describe it in words.' And he said, 'No - actually visualise it. You must have an image of it.'" "But I didn't. It was a confusing conversation; we couldn't even really work out if we were discussing the same thing. He described the image he had in his mind and that was completely alien to me. "I have really poor recall of really important events in my life. I can't picture my wedding day but I can remember the emotional feeling."...

More, https://www.bbc.com/news/health-37862070
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- Aphantasia: what it’s like to live with no mind’s eye. Some people can't visualise their best friend's face, or even their own house. This lack of mind's eye is called 'aphantasia', and researchers are only just starting to unravel the science behind it. Science Focus, Nov. 14, 2019.

Picture an apple. What colour is it? What about calling to mind your mother’s face? What is her expression? How about your last holiday? Can you picture where you stayed? For people with aphantasia, this is impossible. They cannot recall images of familiar objects or people to their ‘mind’s eye’. In effect they don’t have one. This crucial difference in the way people see the world has only started to be researched in the last few years. How have we gone for so long ignoring this variation in how we experience our internal worlds?

What is aphantasia? Aphantasia is the name given to the inability to call an image to mind. The name was coined in 2015 by Prof Adam Zeman, a cognitive and behavioural neurologist at the University of Exeter. Zeman first became aware of the phenomenon when he was referred a patient who had ‘lost’ his visual imagery after a heart operation. “He had vivid imagery previously,” recalls Zeman. “He used to get himself to sleep by imagining friends and family. Following the cardiac procedure, he couldn’t visualise anything, his dreams became avisual, he said that reading was different because previously he used to enter a visual world and that no longer happened. We were intrigued.”...

More, https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/aphantasia-life-with-no-minds-eye/

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Aphantasia: A Life Without Mental Images, Living With No 'Mind's Eye' (Original Post) appalachiablue Mar 2020 OP
Wow. 2%? Varaddem Mar 2020 #1
It's interesting, visual recall is significant to me but not this 2%. appalachiablue Mar 2020 #2
Very little visualization here, i think lostnfound Mar 2020 #3
It's just a different condition, not a disorder and you seem appalachiablue Mar 2020 #4
I failed as a design engineer for lack of visualizing but stronger at analytical side lostnfound Mar 2020 #7
thank you for posting handmade34 Mar 2020 #5
For sure, glad you caught the article. appalachiablue Mar 2020 #6
when I was in college handmade34 Mar 2020 #8
The professor's ability is definitely the extreme end and rare. Are appalachiablue Mar 2020 #9

Varaddem

(433 posts)
1. Wow. 2%?
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 04:40 AM
Mar 2020

I once asked a friend to repeat a sentence because I was having trouble picturing the scene and she had no idea what I was talking about. Acted like I was from a different planet.… Truth be told…

appalachiablue

(42,896 posts)
2. It's interesting, visual recall is significant to me but not this 2%.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 04:48 AM
Mar 2020

And a connection to memory is there as noted in these articles. A colleague once said she didn't remember that I was at an event- a funeral for a boss' family member! I was stunned that she forgot me and others there, and also a few other instances; it could be from this condition.

lostnfound

(16,625 posts)
3. Very little visualization here, i think
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 06:32 AM
Mar 2020

I remember situations by how I felt and by memories of words about it.
If I meet someone, talk to them, leave, and you ask me whether they were black or white, if had dark hair or blond, there’s a chance i won’t remember the facts about there appearance, wouldn’t be able to visualize them. If I try hard I may be able to visualize something, like an outline or build up a general shape or layout, but it’s hard, definitely a weakness for me.

Always hated it when people would say “get a picture in your mind of...” I don’t think I ever put a picture there, I just put an emotional and factual memory there.

appalachiablue

(42,896 posts)
4. It's just a different condition, not a disorder and you seem
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 06:50 AM
Mar 2020

to be sensible about it. I have fairly strong visual imaging and memory but am weak in terms of smell- I'm reminded of this by others whose sensibilities in that area are acute. Most of us have strengths and set backs, just part of life.

lostnfound

(16,625 posts)
7. I failed as a design engineer for lack of visualizing but stronger at analytical side
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 08:30 AM
Mar 2020

I learned in my career that there’s room for a variety of strengths and skill sets in any field. In engineering, there is room for imaginative designers, precise analysts, diligent technical developers, and a variety of other skill sets are all needed to develop new products.

No shame in being specialized in what you are best at.

Not good at remembering faces, either..

handmade34

(22,915 posts)
8. when I was in college
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 08:32 AM
Mar 2020

I was chatting with a professor and he told me how when he was in school and taking a test, he could, in his mind, open up the text book and find the page with the answer to the question... I know that is the other extreme, but for years I realized I could not "visualize" things and wondered if I was alone in this... it does make me sad... I realize they do not consider this a disorder but I feel at a real disadvantage... sort of like missing an appendage

obviously, I have done ok without the "visualization" but still makes me sad

appalachiablue

(42,896 posts)
9. The professor's ability is definitely the extreme end and rare. Are
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 09:21 AM
Mar 2020

you familiar with the neurological condition 'face blindness' or prosopagnosia? Many people have it or years but don't realize, and some have become successful in life in spite of it-- Jane Goodall, the British primatologist, Steve Wosniak with Apple, etc.

There's also people with 'super powers' as described in this BBC article-- because of their neurological and psychological conditions some can remember practically everything that's happened in their life; others can't feel emotional or physical pain which could be dangerous; there are people who have brains like computers, crammed with data and info. that they can't forget.

It covers some interesting topics, both positive and negative. ~ Everyone has deficits and shortcomings, we just have to appreciate and work with what we have I think.

Best

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosopagnosia

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jan/26/meet-the-super-humans-four-people-describe-their-extraordinary-powers

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