Scientists claim that overeating is not the primary cause of obesity

[NH Ethylene]

". . . the process of getting fat causes overeating."

A perspective article challenges the 'energy balance model,' which says weight gain occurs because individuals consume more energy than they expend. According to the authors, 'conceptualizing obesity as a disorder of energy balance restates a principle of physics without considering the biological mechanisms underlying weight gain.' The authors argue for the 'carbohydrate insulin model,' which explains obesity as a metabolic disorder driven by what we eat, rather than how much.

Public health messaging exhorting people to eat less and exercise more has failed to stem rising rates of obesity and obesity-related diseases. The carbohydrate-insulin model makes a bold claim: overeating doesn't cause obesity; the process of getting fat causes overeating.

The current obesity epidemic is due, in part, to hormonal responses to changes in food quality: in particular, high-glycemic load foods, which fundamentally change metabolism. *Focusing on what we eat rather than how much we eat is a better strategy for weight management.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/09/210913135729.htm

[Dream Girl]

1. Glad to finally see this going mainstream. Calories in, calories out

Is a myth. It’s all about the types of food a nd their hormonal impact.

[NH Ethylene]

5. I know. It's WAY overdue.

Evidence that refutes it has been accumulating for several decades. It's time to change the advice given to people about eating and dieting and maybe offer some real hope to people who struggle constantly just to keep from gaining even more weight.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

7. It's not a myth. Just not the prime mover. Kind counts & quantity too. OP is very interesting

If you eat lots of empty calories, your body craves food because it is trying to get nutrition. High glycemic foods are mostly empty calories.

If you eat nutritious food, including occasional pizzas, ice cream and such, your body is happy and doesn't ask for as much food.

[Dream Girl]

11. Think FAT if you have Type 2 Diabetes

Weight gain and poor health are a function of FAT

Frequency = every time you eat insulin and fat storage goes up…don’t do frequent mini meals, avoid snacking, occasional fasting is great
Amount = don’t over eat
Type of food = avoid carbs

I’m keto, but considering carnivore. Protein is highly satiating and (grass fed) meat is nutrient dense.

[OhZone]

2. Sounds like -

ATKINS!

HA

[mzmolly]

8. Or whole foods

mediterranean?

[Faux pas]

3. Kickin'

[msongs]

4. cut out bread, rice, pasta, white taters etc eating lots and losing steadily. low to no empty carbs

[Skittles]

6. I eat all that and have never been overweight

but I move a lot, walk, exercise, etc

[Bernardo de La Paz]

9. There's nutritious bread and nutritious rice. I don't think color makes a difference in potatoes

Though there might be less nutrition per calorie in factory potatoes of any colour than better grown potatoes.

[NH Ethylene]

12. Regular potatoes have a higher glycemic index than sweet potatoes or yams.

I think that's why they referred to white potatoes.

[BamaRefugee]

17. as a diabetic i can tell you that basically, anything white is your enemy:rice,flour,potatoes,sugar,

milk, SARA LEE FROSTING, sorry lost control for a second there.

[Skittles]

31. haha OMG BamaRefugee

I am known to buy a slew of cupcakes and only eat the frosting....I kid you not. Bad!

[Elessar Zappa]

34. Some people can lose weight that way, others not.

I initially tried to lose weight by running long distance 5 times a week and lifting weights 4 times weekly. I lost a little but it wasn’t until I changed my diet and ate less and healthier that I was able to lose a substantial amount. Of course now I’m back to being obese and am struggling to get motivated to lose the pounds. I like food too much.

[Skittles]

35. do this

get yourself on www.fitday.com

put in EVERYTHING you eat, daily......eat whatever you want, but don't go over a certain amount of calories (research to find out what a good amount is for you to lose weight slowly but steadily)

fuck diets, they don't work in the long run - do you really want to go the rest of your life not eating potatoes? ridiculous

when you record what you eat, you may find that you wish you'd eaten something more nutritious and filling than that big hunk of cake, for example.....it will make you more aware of where you calories are coming from

[WHITT]

10. Ruh Roh

Who's gonna tell Bill Maher?

[Hekate]

13. KnR to read later

[Mr.Bill]

14. Sounds like an attack

on the gym industry.

Seriously, I owned a small neighborhood a few years ago. I had a very regular clientele. Mostly middle aged people. Same people almost every day. I don't think I ever saw one person lose any weight at all, except for one elderly lady who had become a vegetarian.

[LiberalArkie]

15. But their hearts, bones, joints and muscles were in good shape.

And may cause the body to be more efficient, thus it would take more effort to burn fat.

[Mr.Bill]

19. I differ slightly with that opinion.

I'm not an expert, I only bought the gym to fix it up and flip it. But I think at a certain age you are not doing your joints any good by running five miles on a treadmill every day. You are just making yourself a candidate for a knee and/or hip replacement. Cardio wise, I tend to agree with you more.

[LiberalArkie]

23. At 73 the docs want me to do some light running, but I can't do that, but I try to do elliptical

often.

[Mr.Bill]

26. Yes, do somthing low impact.

Swimming would be best.

[AlexSFCA]

16. wrong, obesity is a mental health issue foremost

physical changes is just a symptom

[LakeArenal]

18. It's no coincidence that Dr Now on the stomach stapling Show

Always have the patients talk to a psychiatrist.

[NH Ethylene]

32. There is plenty of scientific info that contradicts that.

The desire to eat is highly regulated by the body.

Yes, some people eat to feel better psychologically, but this also involves a physiological response.

[Moebym]

20. What a coincidence

I had just watched a video on 18 weight loss myths debunked by dieticians.

I've bookmarked this article for future reference.

[Farmer-Rick]

21. The lead researcher Dr David S Ludwig wrote a book

Called "Always Hungry". He explains how insulin and carbs act together to make you hungry and store more fat.

Think about it. If it's simply calories in, calories out, why do fat people get hungry at all? They have all that fat their bodies can eat. Why would they not just use their excess fat then get hungry? But no, despite large amounts of fat, people get really hungry and are driven to eat and store more fat.

The thing with low carb diets is it is more likely to use your own fat and less likely to make you hungry. It's not a magic bullet but it can help a lot.

[Jon King]

22. Owned a fitness center for 22 years.

We kept it pretty simple and helped 1000s lose body fat. Helped them modify their nutrition and monitor it, moderate cardiovascular activity 3-4 times per week, a good dose of resistance training tailored to each person.

In 22 years I do not remember but a handful who did not lose significant body fat with our simple approach.

[Mr.Bill]

27. Key thing there is nutrition.

That's an important of it.

[forgotmylogin]

24. I can believe this.

I lost 50 pounds easily eating a keto diet for a year - basically cutting sugar and flour and only small portions of starchy veg.

The interesting part I discovered using the carb manager app that eating 400 calories of pasta would make me feel bloated and ready for a nap, but I could put away a 900 calorie breakfast of bacon and eggs that did not fill me uncomfortably and didn't knock me into a carb coma.

I was totally carb addicted for the longest time, and now at age 50 I feel great. I'm not "skinny" but I can tie my shoes without straining, I snore less, and when I do occasionally eat something with some carbs I find I can't put away potatoes or pasta like I used to. Several bites is enough and quickly becomes unappealing like my body recognizes I don't need it.

I'm less strict on keto now - I will occasionally splurge on an apple or an orange (which now taste like delicious candy since I don't regularly have sugar) or I will eat a mini-bag of popcorn which has about 20 net carbs in a day.

The other thing that made keto much easier is the recent wider availability of zero-carb bread and other products in the grocery store. That was a godsend because one of the logistical problems eating low carb is you can't just throw together a sandwich quickly and that kind of solved the quick meal problem.

[bucolic_frolic]

25. I agree with it to a point

Weight gain with all the right foods is still possible if you eat too much. Calorie counting is not out the window.

But the insulin-carb model is very useful. Eat the right carbs, in the right proportion to lean proteins and vegetable and fruits is the way to go.

Carbs and junk food and additives and sugars cause inflammation. Wish I could find the YouTube video of a Dr who said she owned an obesity clinic. She called the carbs and sugars a slow poisoning.

[Mr.Bill]

28. My doctor, who is an internist

says processed meats are the villian, but she's mainly adressing blood pressure and cholesterol, which are my two problem areas. I have cut back on them and have lost about 15 lbs. At my next physical next month I'm going to discuss reducing the dosage on those meds. One at a time, probably.

[ananda]

29. That's why I've been following the Zone diet for over 20 years.

No high glycemic carbs; and a balance between protein,
carbs, and fat at every meal.

I also follow the blood type diet.

My weight is perfect for my age, with no underlying
problems.

[sybylla]

30. Good to see this being studied. After a 20 months on Keto, I concur.

Keto completely changed my relationship to food. Before Keto, I would aim for 1300 calories a day - basically 2 meals, and my weight never budged. The carb cravings were killer. Switched to Keto. I eat until I am full. I no longer have to skip one meal a day to manage calories. I have nearly zero cravings. I've finally hit my weight-loss target and my cholesterol has improved. And, according to my last check-up, I have successfully managed to slow down the diabetes train. Maybe with another year on Keto, I can stop it all together.

There is so much more to weight than calories in/calories out. That has always been ever-so-much bullshit.

[Elessar Zappa]

33. Probably depends on the person.

I’m obese and I eat a lot of high fat, high carb food. I know if I cut back the calories that I would lose weight because I’ve done it before.