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Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 02:11 AM Feb 2019

Russian Doll

A new Netflix original, and it's awesome! There are about 8 episodes. I don't know if it's a mini-series or will be a tv series with another season. But the last episode is an end, so if it ends there, it's fine.

A good watch from start to finish. Original (even though it has a premise similar to Groundhog Day...but on steroids), funny, sharp. raw. The lead actress, Natasha Lyonne, is perfect for that role. Amy Poehler was one of the writers, and that crazy wit shows.

Netflix hit another one out of the park.

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Russian Doll (Original Post) Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 OP
Wasn't going to watch it, sounded too weird, then a friend suggested we give it a try, Canoe52 Feb 2019 #1
I agree. liberalmuse Feb 2019 #2
I watched it yesterday subana Feb 2019 #3
I truly enjoy Natasha Lyonne in BlueMTexpat Feb 2019 #4
I've never seen her in anything other than Russian Doll. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #11
She is multi-talented BlueMTexpat Feb 2019 #13
I may give OITNB another try. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #14
I usually find that it is BlueMTexpat Feb 2019 #15
LOL. That episode I referred to, WAS the first episode. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #18
Glad that you ended up BlueMTexpat Mar 2019 #21
I won't watch The Handmaid's Tale. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #22
I'm not a Hulu subscriber BlueMTexpat Mar 2019 #23
I thought it was pretty good. Luciferous Feb 2019 #5
We loved it JustAnotherGen Feb 2019 #6
A 3 season deal? Great. I hadn't read that anywhere. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #12
Great show. Loved it. Totally recommend. Auggie Feb 2019 #7
Thanks for the recommendation. I'll definitely add it to my Netflix list. Glorfindel Feb 2019 #8
I watched the first one and was on the fence. I'll give it more of a chance now JDC Feb 2019 #9
Absolutely loved it, especially the finale. Merlot Feb 2019 #10
It's a lovely dark comedy... and best of all, no cliffhanger! hunter Mar 2019 #16
I was intrigued too, although sometimes unable to completely follow the story's message.(SPOILERS) Fla Dem Mar 2019 #17
Wow. I didn't get all that. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #19
We watched it yesterday. getting old in mke Mar 2019 #20

Canoe52

(2,963 posts)
1. Wasn't going to watch it, sounded too weird, then a friend suggested we give it a try,
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 02:26 AM
Feb 2019

we are glad we did, the show is a riot!

BlueMTexpat

(15,495 posts)
4. I truly enjoy Natasha Lyonne in
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 04:55 AM
Feb 2019

this role. I first noticed her in "Orange is the New Black." She is a talented actress.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
11. I've never seen her in anything other than Russian Doll.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 08:45 PM
Feb 2019

Never heard of her before. (I didn't watch OITNB, obviously.) But she was perfect for this tough, bawdy female lead. She was one of the writers, too.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
14. I may give OITNB another try.
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 11:01 AM
Feb 2019

I started watching it once, didn't like it, so stopped it even before the episode was over and never went back. It was an episode all about tampons or something. I found it offensive, stupid, and not funny. I'm no prude by a long shot, but it went on and on and on about tampons for some reason. They were at the lunch table, in the shower, etc. Seemed to be just an episode written specifically to be "different," but it wasn't funny.

Maybe I'll give it another try.

BlueMTexpat

(15,495 posts)
15. I usually find that it is
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 12:32 PM
Feb 2019

best to begin at the beginning, so that you get to know the characters and their backstories.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
18. LOL. That episode I referred to, WAS the first episode.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 04:55 PM
Mar 2019

Hahaha. Anyway, I went back and watched it. I really did like it a lot, esp Kate Mulgrew...well, all the actors were so good.

But I still did find it too crude for my tastes. Not my cup of tea. I have a thing about gross bodily functions being in movies. Other than that, I give it a thumb's up. I binge watched it.

There's one more season coming. I can't wait.

BlueMTexpat

(15,495 posts)
21. Glad that you ended up
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 04:53 AM
Mar 2019

watching it after all!

The characters are ALL well-played, however crude the episodes may be.

Like Natasha Lyonne, several have gone on to starring roles in other series. Unfortunately, for some, e.g., Poussey (Samira Wiley), that also meant her exit from OITHNB. She can now be seen in "The Handmaid's Tale."

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
22. I won't watch The Handmaid's Tale.
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 09:39 AM
Mar 2019

I think it's too much about the subjugation of women and am horrified that it is popular. It's like a rape movie. Yes, it's about rape being bad, but people watch it for the titillation of the rape.

I don't subscribe to Hulu, anyway, though.

BlueMTexpat

(15,495 posts)
23. I'm not a Hulu subscriber
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 01:13 PM
Mar 2019

either. But I was able to watch THT on a couple of long transatlantic flights as the series was a VOD option.

True, there are some rape scenes, but they're much more icky and ridiculous than titillating. Other violence against women is even worse, e.g., blinding one of the main characters, stoning others, and performing FGM on a lesbian character. Of course, men who try to help women don't get off easily either. They're usually hanged, with their bodies desecrated and left to rot as an example.

The truly sad thing is not the series, IMO, but how the subjugation of and violence against women is actually happening right in front of our eyes in today's US, much as it always has. And it's still a big ho-hum to too many.

In the series, Canada is literally a lifeline.

Just think about what's happening in states like AL and with our Planned Parenthood funding overall. How shameful it is that women must fight to get birth control as part of their health care coverage! I follow "Pantsuit Nation" on FB and we just had a LONG thread about how working women especially are STILL caught between a rock and a hard place when it comes to maternity and family leave. Too many of the stories are heartbreaking.

The US is literally VERY far behind the overwhelming majority of so-called "developed" nations in those respects. In fact, many of the so-called "developing" nations are also WAY ahead of us.

This is not all due to the Trump Era. It's been happening for many years. It is simply becoming more blatant now. Shame on us!

JustAnotherGen

(33,513 posts)
6. We loved it
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 06:49 AM
Feb 2019

Lyonne did a good job at being a cross between Andrew Dice Clay and the girl from Brave.
^ Hope that inspires people to watch^


There is a 3 season deal on this one.

hunter

(38,910 posts)
16. It's a lovely dark comedy... and best of all, no cliffhanger!
Sat Mar 2, 2019, 02:29 AM
Mar 2019

I gave it a and I'm pretty stingy with those.

Fla Dem

(25,666 posts)
17. I was intrigued too, although sometimes unable to completely follow the story's message.(SPOILERS)
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 10:26 AM
Mar 2019

I like Natasha Lyonne in her role on OITNB and she didn't disappoint in Russian Doll. I did cheat and read a synopsis/analysis of the final 2 episodes, which gave me more clarity to what I was actually watching. All in all enjoyed the series.


FEB. 4, 2019
Talk About the Russian Doll Ending
By Kathryn VanArendonk

In the final episodes of Netflix’s Russian Doll, the world starts falling apart. Caught in time loops that reset every time they die, Nadia (Natasha Lyonne) and Alan (Charlie Barnett) realize that people are disappearing from existence, the world is growing less stable, and they have no choice but to finally confront their buried traumas and the fear that they’re fundamentally unlovable. Alan has to forgive his girlfriend, Beatrice (Dascha Polanco), and accept his own role in their unhappiness. Nadia must admit that she blames herself for her mother’s death, and figure out whether she even wants to live past her 36th birthday.

Then Nadia and Alan die one more time, and Russian Doll’s final twist is revealed: When we reach the season finale, the Nadia and Alan we’ve been following from the beginning are no longer in the same universe. They’ve been split into two separate timelines, each of them newly charged with a sense of purpose and a desire to live. But they can’t celebrate together. Instead, they’re paired with the past versions of each other: The self-actualized Alan has to shake the original Nadia out of her destructive, sublimated death wish, and the newly self-accepting Nadia has to convince the original, self-loathing Alan not to kill himself.

Watching the healed versions of Alan and Nadia try to coax the unknowing, earlier iterations of each other toward self-acceptance is heartbreaking. For the first few episodes of the series, the scariest thing about Nadia’s recurring deaths and rebirths is that she’s going through them alone. The midseason discovery that Alan is also looping, that the two of them are tied to one another somehow, and that they no longer have to face the dread of existential limbo in total isolation, is the key to the series. It’s the moment Russian Doll becomes supercharged, turning from a well-made show into something with momentum and depth. Whatever she may want to believe, Nadia cannot escape her own self-hatred without connecting with someone else. The same goes for Alan, although in his case, he’s put entirely too much of his sense of self onto someone else, and can’t extricate his failed romantic life from his sense of self-worth (or lack thereof). Alan and Nadia both need to rebalance how they see themselves in the world. They must examine how much they rely on themselves rather than other people, which also means making the conscious decision that, yes, they do want to keep living. They do it together, through the insight they each get from thinking about someone else.

In the seventh episode, titled “The Way Out,” the time loops are rapidly erasing the world around Nadia and Alan, turning their personal limbo into an apocalyptic crisis. At the peak of this emptying-out, Nadia walks out of the bathroom and finds her birthday party eerily vacant; only her friend Maxine is left, dancing dreamily by herself. Extinction looms, and so Alan and Nadia are forced to confront everything they’ve been avoiding: Alan forgives Beatrice; Nadia talks to Ruth about her guilt over her mother’s death and passes her beloved book, her childhood life preserver, to another young girl. As she’s dying for the final time — before the final time, that is — Nadia’s young self appears before her and whispers, “She’s still inside you.” It’s a line that encompasses Nadia’s belief that all of their loops somehow exist at the same time, and also Ruth’s question about whether, somewhere inside Nadia, there’s still a young girl who desperately wants to live. It also evokes the series’ title image of nesting dolls. It feels like an ending, like Alan and Nadia have fixed everything at last. This is why it’s so excruciating when, in the final episode, Nadia and Alan’s timelines split. When, at last, they walk into the deli to greet one another, we realize they’ve healed themselves but no longer have each other. It’s a huge loss.

MORE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

https://www.vulture.com/2019/02/russian-doll-netflix-ending-explained.html

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
19. Wow. I didn't get all that.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:00 PM
Mar 2019

I need to go back and watch the final episodes.

BUT I heard there's another season coming. When I watched it, I didn't know if it was a miniseries or a tv series that would have new seasons. Maybe Netflix does that on purpose, and then does another season if it's popular.

getting old in mke

(813 posts)
20. We watched it yesterday.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:34 PM
Mar 2019

An author we like tweeted about it "After the first episode, I wasn't sure I wanted to watch the next... And then it was four hours later." That sums it up pretty well.

A heck of a ride.

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