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THE TREATY OF LIMERICK AND CONFISCATION
See page 164, the paragraph that starts...
"2. The accompaniments to the report of the inquiry commission of
1699 (copy in T.D.C., MS N. 1. 3), which contain the names of all the persons outlawed and admitted to articles and pardons, together with particulars of the estates forfeited and restored, and a statement of William's grants."
http://www.limerickcity.ie/media/sieges90-91%2001.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140201161516/http://www.limerickcity.ie/media/sieges90-91%2001.pdf
At Trinity College Library Dublin, The manuscript is not online, the one that has all the names,
That original volume is available to view (that is, was in 2018)
From an 2018 email from Library
TCD MS 744 (former shelf mark N.1.3) is housed in the Manuscripts & Archives Research Library, Trinity College Dublin. The manuscript contains 'Copies of the books appended to the Report of the Parliamentary Commission on Forfeitures, 1699'. This manuscript does not appear online. You are welcome to consult the original manuscript, if you are in a position to do so. Please advise if you would like to visit the reading room in the future, and I can send you details regarding our admissions procedure and opening hours.
The catalogue entry also cites the printed volume RR.aa.33, which is housed in the Early Printed Books Department. For more information on this volume, you will need to contact epbooks@tcd.ie.

IrishBubbaLiberal
(1,157 posts)Irish Forfeitures
https://www.lackaghmuseum.ie/the-1661-forfeitures-and-settlements.html
https://archive.org/details/bim_eighteenth-century_a-short-view-of-both-rep_1701_0
https://archive.org/details/bim_early-english-books-1641-1700_the-irish-forfeitures-no_1690
https://sources.nli.ie/Record/MS_UR_060161#details
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https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015063627189;view=2up;seq=1;skin=mobile
The report of the commissioners appointed by Parliament to enquire into the Irish forfeitures, deliver'd to the hon'ble House of Commons the 15th of December, 1699. With their resolutions and addresses to His Majesty relating to those forfeitures. As also His Majesty's gracious answers thereunto; and His most gracious speech to both Houses of Parliament, the 5th of January, 1690
Additional link
https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000198799
3Hotdogs
(14,038 posts)IrishBubbaLiberal
(1,157 posts)Books of Survey and Distribution were compiled around 1680 as the result of the wars of the mid-seventeenth century after the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland, when the English government needed reliable information on land ownership throughout Ireland to carry out its policy of land confiscation.
The books were used to impose the acreable rent called the Quit Rent, which was payable yearly on lands granted under terms of the Acts of Settlement and Explanation. It is possible to discover to whom, if anyone, the confiscated lands were granted so that we have a record of landowners for 1641 and 1680. As a result, it is possible to determine the amount of lands lost by the 1641 owners after the Irish Rebellion of 1641 and to discover the names of the new proprietors.
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https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Confiscation_in_Irish_history/Chapter_7
CHAPTER VII
JACOBITES AND WILLIAMITES
The dispossessed Irish, with characteristic optimism, did not abandon their hopes of redress, nor desist from their efforts to obtain it.[1] The persistency of Talbot and others of their agents prevailed so far that in 1670 the King ordered Sir Heneage Finch, the Solicitor General, to report on the alleged grievances done to the Irish by the Act of Explanation. The report, professing impartiality, is an excellent example of special pleading. It was easy to prove to the satisfaction of the King that he was not bound to keep the peace extorted from his father's and his own necessities in 1648. As to the unheard innocents. Finch, while admitting that there were over 4000 in this case, declared that many of them would have failed to prove their innocence, and that of those who could have done so most, if not all, had received from the usurper lands in Connaught, and so were not altogether destitute.[2] Both these statements are no doubt to a great extent true. So, too, would seem to be his charge against Talbot and the leading men of the Irish that they had at the time of the passing of the Act made no real effort on behalf of the unheard innocents, since as nomineees it was to their interest not to diminish the limited amount of land available for reprisals; for their own restoration depended on their being enough reprisals left after restoration of innocents to allow of compensation to the Cromwellians actually in possession of their, the nominees, estates.[3]
The King professed himself satisfied with the arguments put before him, and declared his intention of upholding the Acts of Settlement and Explanation.
In 1675 it was brought to his notice that the transplanted persons in Connaught and Clare had as yet received no legal titles to the estates assigned to them by the Cromwellian government.[4] This was set right by the issue of letters patent to the transplanted. In all 580 grants were issued, a number which appears surprisingly small. It is possible, however, as I have already said, that new grants were not considered necessary in cases where the Cromwellians had assigned to the landowners within the various qualifications their proper proportion out of their former estates. In 1684 a "Commission of Grace" was issued, for securing defective titles, and for disposing of lands still in the King's possession. The number of grants under this Commission was 223 and some Catholic landowners at least were included among the grantees. The recipients of grants were to pay a fine which was intended for the benefit of such of the nominees and innocents transplanted to Connaught for whom as yet no compensation had been found. The money however, found its way into the pockets of the Duchess of Cleveland.[5]
IrishBubbaLiberal
(1,157 posts)Treaty of Limerick
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Limerick
Treaty of Limerick
The Treaty Stone, reputedly the location of the treaty signing.
Signed 3 October 1691
Location Limerick
The Treaty of Limerick (Irish: Conradh Luimnigh), signed on 3 October 1691, ended the 1689 to 1691 Williamite War in Ireland, a conflict related to the 1688 to 1697 Nine Years' War. It consisted of two separate agreements, one with military terms of surrender, signed by commanders of a French expeditionary force and Irish Jacobites loyal to the exiled James II. Baron de Ginkell, leader of government forces in Ireland, signed on behalf of William III and his wife Mary II. It allowed Jacobite units to be transported to France, the diaspora known as the Flight of the Wild Geese.
The other set out conditions for those who remained, including guarantees of religious freedom for Catholics, and retention of property for those who remained in Ireland. Many were subsequently altered or ignored, establishing the Protestant Ascendancy that dominated Ireland until the Catholic emancipation in the first half of the 19th century.[1]
IrishBubbaLiberal
(1,157 posts)More
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THIS IS WHERE A LOT OF MY IRISH FAMILY LOST THEIR LANDS
AND the LIST
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WIKI
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Williamite settlement forfeitures
In the following 8 years further confiscations were made from the continuing adherents to the Jacobite cause, and also further pardons were granted. The Commissioners of Forfeitures reported to the Irish House of Commons in December 1699 as follows:[6][7]
3,921 named persons had been outlawed initially, who owned
1,060,792 acres (4,293 km2) of land, (about 1⁄20 of the land area of Ireland)
that produced rents of £211,623 a year, and were worth £4,685,130 10s
Of these,
491 had been pardoned in accord with the treaties at Cavan and Limerick, and 792 otherwise; Some of the remaining 2,638 persons or their families had had property restored.
Ultimately the total amount received by the Commissioners was: 752,953 acres (3,047 km2) paying rents of £135,793 p.a., worth £1,699,343. A further £300,000 in chattels and £1,092,000 of forestry had been seized, along with several hundred individual houses.
IrishBubbaLiberal
(1,157 posts)https://downsurvey.tchpc.tcd.ie/
Ireland in the 1650s lay in ruins. Twelve years of calamitous warfare had destroyed the country's infrastructure and resulted in the death of over 20% of the Irish population.
The armies of the English Commonwealth, commanded by Oliver Cromwell, emerged victorious and immediately undertook an ambitious project of social engineering, underpinned by a massive transfer in landownership from Irish Catholics to English Protestants. For this to happen, the land had to be accurately surveyed and mapped, a task overseen by the surgeon-general of the English army, William Petty.
The Down Survey of Ireland
Taken in the years 1656-1658, the Down Survey of Ireland is the first ever detailed land survey on a national scale anywhere in the world. The survey sought to measure all the land to be forfeited by the Catholic Irish in order to facilitate its redistribution to Merchant Adventurers and English soldiers. Copies of these maps have survived in dozens of libraries and archives throughout Ireland and Britain, as well as in the National Library of France. This Project has brought together for the first time in over 300 years all the surviving maps, digitised them and made them available as a public online resource.
3Hotdogs
(14,038 posts)I can't find record of when my ancestors came to U.S.
I guess I'm related to the beer company, Caffrey.
IrishBubbaLiberal
(1,157 posts)Need to start with some relation you KNOW at least something about,,
Paternal
Maternal
Grandparents names
Possible places they lived in US or wherever
IF your relatives Fought in US Civil War,,,
Those records have sometimes key information on
where they were born, what country etc
Especially IF they got a military pension (? Not sure thats the correct term)
Then general searches at different Irish databases,
Or depending on when,,, ship manifest records,
Although a lot are missing data.
If later arrivals, then records at Ellis Island.
IF from Spain, then you have get from that countrys records.
My spouse has way too common a Spanish name,, so its very difficult
to find any specific
IrishBubbaLiberal
(1,157 posts)Try landowner
Caffrey
No match, but this name is similar
https://downsurvey.tchpc.tcd.ie/landowners.php
McCaffer, Turlagh (1641): 4 townlands
Zoom to see individual townlands.
https://downsurvey.tchpc.tcd.ie/historical-gis.html
3Hotdogs
(14,038 posts)On my mother's side, were the Finnegan and Buckley family members. We don't know much about their Irish history either. All I know is my great uncle was the sheriff in Sussex County, N.J. in the 1920's.
We have information about my grandfather who came from a town, about 20 miles north of Rome. And his arrival at Ellis.