Just looking for input.
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What are your nominations for words or phrases used by the pro-control side?
I'll start this off with one of my favorites: "...Awash in guns."
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...how bad the state of civility is in this forum.
I've been on 61 juries and have only thought the jury got it wrong 2 times. That's pretty good IMHO. I like the new system 
Thanks 
...shooting a bullet designed in 1904...
9mm designed 1901
.22LR designed 1887
.38 Special designed 1898
Such thoroughly modern ammunition...
...is that all you have??? 
Every pistol is a Glock. Every long gun an AK47.
Because they're scary.
I need an AK and at least 2 Glocks.
...would prefer the G23.
I heard the Bulgarian SA93s were reliable, accurate, tough and ugly.
..."The real reality is this nation is awash in hand guns."
Not just the apparent reality mind you.
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...that goes up..."
Get's me every time.
...this needed inclusion:
Cowards.
LOL.
Kind of a memorial to the idea "media based legislation". What ever made the news on Sunday night, is proposed to be made illegal on Monday.
...got a barrel that's blue and cold...
...you fit the "children" in there.
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This is just such a gem. To misquote the character played by Eamonn Walker 'I prefer it my way, Merchant of Death.'
"laissez-faire gun ownership"
Thank you all for your contributions! 
Such air filled mental hors d'oeuvres!
...is today's new time waste.
cheers
...formal!
A jumbo shrimp if ever I heard one.
...to me.
...how the Talking Points of the gun-religionists are so coordinated."
Oh... P.S....
Another prize bit anti terminology.
...we have: "Delicate Flowers..."
Why how pleasant! 
Must be the Old Spice.
"Gun porn" 
..."A Gun in the Home Actually Makes You Less Safe"
Of course so does a bathtub, you may hit your head and drown.
...well you know.
"Guns are safer than soft feathers"
A blast from the past.
..."Hidden Criminal"
really!
BTW, welcome
...my index finger's commitment to exercise, as of 1 October. I think of trashing what I don't want to read any more of as kind of pruning the roses.
The pro-control group offers: "Pro-killing machiners"
Just wondering.
Many orators and writers have said this much better than I ever could.
On the negative side:
-Adolf Hitler: "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms."
-Mao Tse Tung: "All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party."
On the positive side:
-The Dalai Lama: "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun."
-Professor Joyce Lee Malcolm: "The Second Amendment was meant to accomplish two distinct goals…First, it was meant to guarantee the individual’s right to have arms for self-defense and self-preservation. These privately owned arms were meant to serve a larger purpose as well…and it is the coupling of these two objectives that has caused the most confusion. The customary American militia necessitated an armed public…the militia (being)…the body of the people. The argument that today’s National Guardsmen, members of a select militia, would constitute the only persons entitled to keep and bear arms has no historical foundation."
-Daniel Webster: "Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority…the Constitution was made to guard against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
-Patrick Henry: "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined…The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
-Thomas Jefferson: "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
-George Mason: "To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them."
-Thomas Aquinas: "Without doubt one is allowed to resist against the unjust aggressor to one’s life, one’s goods or one’s physical integrity; sometimes, even ’til the aggressor’s death."
-Augustine of Hippo: "Though defensive violence will always be ‘a sad necessity’ in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men."
-"But now whoever has a purse or a bag, must take it and whoever does not have a sword must sell his cloak and buy one." - Luke 22:36
Not on anyone's watch. It's not happening. I'm quite sure that there are at least 600,000 - 700,000 well trained warriors in this country. These folks will not give up. Many have arms and some don't. When I think about those unarmed warriors I remember the words of CSM Plumley "Sir, if the time comes I need one, there'll be plenty lying on the ground."
225 years ago today, letters that became known as the Federalist Papers began appearing in newspapers. 
There's a pro-control slogan if ever I heard one. 
Here I thought they were inanimate.
Go figure.
Always, every time you leave the house! Don't go to the range to practice shooting. Don't take it hunting.
Yeah! Whataguy!
There are bridges could be painted with one stroke of the brush he uses.
...those folks that want a fighting chance are just stupid because they are not thug targets based on having more time working to accumulate money and by virtue of their years may be less likely to escape or fight back. Thugs are really after young folks that are still in school or just starting their professional careers. After all those 20 - 30 year-old folks are attractive and they are the ones you always see getting robbed or flying their own private planes with pockets full of cash on TV.
This malcolm is only 32 inches. I hate to see one of those deadly "1000-yard scopes".
..."strapping on" rather than "toting" has that ring to it that pro-control really likes.
That's one of the newer ones.
Gun cuddler, gun coddler, ....the list is growing...
...a lie will do nicely.
I just like this picture:
Thanks for that.
I'll have to alert my local police, the National Guard and the Olympic Shooting team.
...the inclusion of the term "activism" is the ultimate in irony.
How dare you accuse me of having a point.
Like hollow point.
You=shill.
...I'd be a sea-shill.
I'm here all week!
...Sharps... Just a bullet hose by any other name.
I don't want to be just "Spray firing from the hip" but I will if you make me.
Suggesting that any (even vaguely) pro-RKBAish statement is not an NRA talking point is in fact entry 38 on the NRA-approved list of Team NRA talking points... 
(Caveat: that's meant to be a joke.)
...I think what you say is just another NRA...TALKING...POINT!
"...your line of argumentation FAILS completely."
"I must delete this poll" 
Carry-on...(ameliorate - to make better or more tolerable)
Maybe someone's been on: http://www.merriam-webster.com/word-of-the-day/
Now where is that smilie with its head up its a$$?
...remember your sunblock.
I so sorry for the step down to this level by the rights crowd and....
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...well, actually I'm not. It is, apparently, a fair self-characterization of some to use juvenile insults as part of their rhetoric.
...from Pasadena no doubt.
...leave the true status of those 'in illegal possession' rather undefined? By all means let's penalize, burden and criminalize the innocent while leaving the true problem unaddressed.
How could such limited thinking ever hope to improve an issue of this magnitude?
As they say: "Never approach vast tasks with half-vast thinking."
I just couldn't resist this one.
Seriously??
Five'll get you ten that your first call gets you a subpoena.
Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)
I just got banned for trying to discuss how to enact progressive gun control reform, which is in the statement of purpose of that forum.
????
...by the hosts.
Assault style weapons are guns that don't meet the definition of assault weapons.
And of course, THE SHOULDER THING THAT GOES UP. 
Here it comes...
Wait for it...
Well, given this latest interpretation, I guess we are "awash" in guns.
With violent assaults dropping sharply contrasted with the strong economic positions of many gun makers, this appears to be just another misleading headline.
...if you refer to someone who is 19 years old and a gang member as "a child", you at least need some vocabulary help.
Solid choices... 
Sad but true.
...for your hospitality and your liberal acceptance of a POV based on liberty and self-reliance.
Oh my. That's just awful.
Since you (seem to) advocate discounting the court's decisions in Heller and MacDonald, how would a future decision hold more weight? Would that be because it would be a decision with which you agree?
...don't playing the "white wing" card around here. We won't have that. Warped IMHO.
"It's hard for many people to believe that there are extraordinary things inside themselves, as well as others. I hope you can keep an open mind."
Good luck ...the reply: http://www.democraticunderground.com/11729858#post146
Thanks again to NYC_SKP.
Ever notice pro-control is short on imagination?
i can't speak for all men, but i enjoy a hard rod once in awhile.
I guess the law can be as fluid as the language without impairing any rights.
...they carry muskets. 
Good one
..."Notice how they covered up the 1st K..."
Where, in the US does prior restraint have the force of law?
Notify or call anyone you want; call the FBI to report a stray cigarette wrapper, get Homeland on the phone an report your nephew for scribbling in a sibling's passport...
Who writes this stuff? Where do these ideas come from?
This is your brain
This is your brain on gun-control
Obviously you're missing the mirth.
Shouldn't there be a requirement (maybe a legal requirement) for those writing legislation to actually understand the objects being regulated?
...would make it way easier to tell you patriots from the bad guys"
I'm amazed there's someone who trusts a lobbyist.
...victims of the big bad NRA, and gullible!
I found the comment kind of sexist.
Just wow. I'm sure if I look around someone has posted a little cartoon that will explain it all.
Now why can't same folks conjure up some toilet humor and batch of stereotype pictures to go along with this erudition? They have to be clever folks to be resorting to sex and penis jokes when discussing gun laws, crime and similar light topics.
I'll be taking all of their opinions with this tiny pinch of salt:
http://goo.gl/maps/buLCz
Sure it is. I saw this gem too late to link it in LBN.
I've not seen a brush so broad in quite some time.
I'm in awe of anyone capable of even raising it and painting.
Sorry, today's misquoter seems to have made a mistake. This should probably read "Military style assault weapons...".
You heard it here first.
Sure they are.
Yes, I'm sure that's what Judge Ishii had in mind.
...the party platform will change and we will finally stop being the laughingstock of the civilized world over all these guns."
I'm just absolutely speechless. 
The really sad part is that some people will believe crap like that.
I'd like to think that poster is merely...
...but being familiar with what passes for "gun control advocacy" lately,
they are most likely entirely serious. *cough*, *cough* Dunning-Kruger *ahem*
Catching a whooper takes a big net.
holy 
crap
Smh lmao!!
Unable or unwilling to define the term but somehow has managed to accurately characterize one instance of that category of abstracts. Such claims are just
Looks like someone forgot to inform these people:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025430046
Black Panther-Inspired Dallas Gun Club Invokes Right To Open Carry
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172154917
Rifle-Toting Huey P. Newton Gun Club Delivers Report on Police Shootings to Feds
"Looks like someone forgot to inform these people:"
"Everything that is really great and inspiring is created by the individual who can labor in freedom." IMHO, this great quote is the premier explanation for the existence of the US Constitution.
A fellow I admire a bunch said that the most important export ever in US history is our Constitution:
http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/english/article/2004/04/20040402110801maduobba0.7845575.html#axzz3HU2qQEPl
...would need to be able to hit a playing card at 200 yds would be if he was shooting at 'tyrannical US soldiers."
The implication being that an AR is far too accurate for civilian ownership.
...but is disqualified for being alliteratively challenged.
Somehow killer-clips and murder-mags just kind of...
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...SING.
So I say, with what? If guns are to be eliminated, with what will they be shot?
like this?
...firing from the hip.
That was a close one! 
I was trying to decide between an "easy peasy death" and a really difficult death.
guess so as a reply to "Psst, zombies aren't real"
Does anyone own firearms for protection against fictitious creatures??
But I always leave my attic lights on.
Irony, it's my middle name.
Smoking such an adjective overdose is giving me the munchies.
...the end of 2014, there's not much in the way of progress from the control side things. I'm still hopeful that the pro-control folks (probably just a few at first) will begin to see the wisdom in working WITH pro-RKBA folks toward a consensus and a common goal.
I can't remember the source but there's a saying about having better luck pursuing a goal than running from a phantom.
We're still "awash in guns" just look here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/11729858#post198
...and it's easy to tell which gun owners are terrorists.
http://kevinwhiteman.com/2014/06/isis-terrorists-25-miles-from-baghdad-line-the-road-with-beheaded-troops-police/
A road lined with dead or dying. Reminds me of a road called via Appia. That fellow in the picture with the pistol, I'm sure he's an NRA life member.
Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #324)
Now it's a party! Now there's progress for you.
Time to shift the progressive transmission out of reverse...."Zimmerman is a murderer, and those here who support him here on DU and elsewhere are supporters of murder."
Which control? Which laws? Any laws?
Is it 'unconscionable' to oppose the ".223/M855 ban"?
Stir that pot and see what kind of new "law/ban" can be brewed.
Let's waste time, create criminals without purpose and add some make-work for law enforcement.
Great idea!
"This is the 21st century. Our need for weaponry is non-existent."
..."Guns are Bad" by...
...wait for it...
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...Joe Stalin from Ke, WI
That's just priceless.
One of those controller statements with a poor ratio of meaning to emotion.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1096047
I just think it was the Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator that did them in
You show a link to a statement, which others can not resist clicking on and so do, only to see the name that they just knew would be there, attached to it.
Really? Someone sure needs to retake Bill of Rights 101.
I like to talk about the "elusive good guys with guns"
"...subjective gibberish that's been heard for a couple of centuries now."
...only hippies, commies and Muslims carry guns.
Walking, talking, posting evidence of why we have the Patriot Act.
Be advised, causing people to freakout is a crime in some places.
Unless I'm mistaken, this seems to imply that presenting a defense in a lawsuit is a kick in the face to someone.
Was it the defendants that rendered the verdict?
Maybe the court itself needs to sued for its 'face kicking'.
Guns did it all by themselves. Not sure why they have that bastard Holmes locked up.
Is that a broad brush in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
For the cartoon lovers---
It's Christmas in September with Santa's Sister, Run-on Claus.
Another juror voting to hide because they "feel like it".
for breakfast 'nuff said...
Way to reach across barriers and ideology to promote progress and trust but mostly just to sell a S&!T-TON of newspapers.
For the sarcasm impaired:
Sure it does! http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172182172#post5
...for potential terrorists or criminals to get their hands on a gun..."
"Gunzplaining"
This thread is awesome, BTW!
That's a good one. It's just a comedy of.... well mostly everything.
...new words like that... they're clever folks.
...a new 'toon for everyday... they're well, clever folks.
So tell me, if they're so clever, and I say 'since you're hungry, have some of my Cheerios' why would they conclude that you could only eat Cheerios when you're hungry?
...and they were talking about going on a mass shooting spree targeting liberals."
This sure helps in the control controversy.
...the cordial and understanding responses from the other side of the discussion:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11729858#post202
...with the pro-control folks, perhaps our (pro-RKBA) problem is "we are afraid of Gabrielle Gifford's moral authority".
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172130286
Really? They do?
Just find a majority of random folks who can even agree on what that means.
How did I miss this one for so long?
Who'd a thought I'd be this amused this early?
Possibly someone who considers Ted or Wayne attractive??? I guess for some that's progress. ...NRA talking point.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7788584
Poor marketing plan if you desire repeat business.
"I sell to leftists, and rightists. I sell to pacifists, but they're not the most regular customers."
...among some controllers.
Rather ironic don't you think?
I George Carlin's words (paraphrased) 'Guns will infect your mind, curve your spine and keep the country from winning the war'......................
oh wait..........
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172193290#post1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172193290#post6
Said about:
The victim said one of them pulled a gun on him and told him to "give it up," Johnson said.
The victim said he grabbed the gun and got it away from the robber. He said he shot at them as they advanced on him. All three fled on foot after the shot was fired."
Play stupid games; get dead.
...and I get telephone and email alerts from campus security."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027874549#post30
There really is someone who believes that self-defense requires a WHY.
We all actually have a right to self-defense. Those who "WHY" actually deserve it.
"Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves; and under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it." - Abraham Lincoln
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it." - Abraham Lincoln
Am I supposed to infer that some do not see mass murder as a "criminal activity"?...anyone can. Maybe he'll find a party somewhere to nominate him.
Another thought that should be filed where the sun don't shine.
...and the private military training camps, looking for likely candidates who might be a little deranged and likely to use their guns and skills in an urban situation?"
There could be a special unit of cops in each county. Instead of blue shirts, they could wear brown.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028000032#op
We need more cow bell not references to genitalia.
...the implications of that or possibly the well known gun-control double standard.
But mostly I just don't give a damn what any of them think.
I will maintain a civil discussion with anyone willing. Anyone who feels the need to engage in disrespectful behavior can go find a pine cone along with a crow bar, a flashlight and large jar of Vaseline in order to locate that cone appropriately.
...bring themselves to leave the house. 
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8102863
The guile is eclipsed only by the sweetness.
Is so annoying. Why wouldn't any honest person welcome a police search any time of the day or night?
Looking back on it I guess we should have said "no" in 1947 when Joe asked, "Mother may I?"
I await the manufacturing and sale of guns which are designed to fire projectiles which are 100 percent lethal no matter where they hit.
Because they're designed for that purpose, apparently.
Sometimes I think these anti-gunners have played way too much Doom, and have BFG on the brain.
You wouldn't have the text of that OP, would you?
"When's the last time you rode an AR-15 to work?" passes as a valid point of argument.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172200323#post21
And yet: "Alcohol is a drug. For some people, guns are not a drug, so your analogy fails." points out a faulty analogy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172200323#post28
Along with some other popular nonsense:
Cracking your knuckles causes arthritis.
Waking sleepwalkers can give them a heart attack.
Eating a watermelon seed and a watermelon will grow in your stomach.
That's not broad enough. Someone must be using a 2-hander.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1649445
Wait a few, there'll be a new member along soon who could do so.
So far I think I'm the only one to be blocked, unblocked and reblocked.
...unless the person defending kills someone?
BTW, Mr Sugarmann of the VPC has a federal firearms license to deal in firearms and ammo.
But first, I realize you have your opinion and the whole idea of having freedom in the US is that everyone is entitled to their opinion. I thank you for sharing yours and for maintaining a respectful and pleasant exchange. My opinion is in the minority here on DU and often these discussions lead to misunderstandings when things get heated. I don't want things to get heated. I just want to share some thoughts, facts and ideas. Welcome to the group.
Just to address reality here, there are absolutely and with no doubt over 110,000,000 privately owned handguns here.
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>> Making all handguns illegal would drive a serious percentage of them into black market sales and serve to strenuously aggravate violent crime.
>> Legislation supporting this idea would be the last nail in a coffin for any party supporting the proposal.
>> Any sponsors, authors and legislators voting in favor would become targets for Republicans, the NRA and host of pro-gun organizations to vote out of office.
>> Gun ownership in the US has a long history and even those who favor various new restrictions would, in large part, look at a total handgun ban as unworkable, unreasonable and counter productive.
I do have some questions:
- Would this ban include law enforcement?
- How would the impact of unemployment be mitigated? Tens if not hundreds of thousands of people work directly for companies which manufacture handguns. It is the general public and not the military and law enforcement who are the primary market.
- If 1% of those who now own handguns don't comply, where would we imprison those folks? That would increase the current prison population by about 30%.
I don't see the VPC as being objective. I don't really understand how they're even taken seriously.
They tout as an achievement: "We exposed the rising threat posed by 50 caliber sniper rifles — weapons of war that can penetrate armor plating from a mile away and down jetliners on takeoff and landing but are sold under federal law with fewer controls than a handgun. As a result of our efforts, these weapons are now banned in California."
It would be nice if we could have fewer jetliners shot down but since we've never had any shot down that's not possible. Here's something that can be learned from the NRA: Peddling hysteria doesn't make you a criminologist.
Here's a few points made by the other side:
http://americangunfacts.com/
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
Nations with strict gun control laws have substantially higher murder rates than those who do not in general. In fact, the 9 European nations with the lowest gun ownership rate have a combined murder rate 3x that of the 9 European nations with the highest gun ownership rate!
...from either side that aren't peeir-reviewed and don't prove anything.
On the surface using basic common sense, most can see that attempting to ban handguns won't win you any substantial allies, won't get you elected in anything other than a really small municipal district and will never happen on a national level.
The one simple fact is that the number guns owned in the US is completely unrelated to the violent crime rate. Criminologists won't argue to ban handguns. Bans are truly more about the desire for control than any substantiated logic that will amount to decreases in crime. People find control attractive for many reasons.
Consider what it will take to outlaw 3-D printers and some simple machining tools while you're banning.
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From Wikipedia:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Note the commas separating portions of the text. Wonder why they're there?
Alas, time wasted. I found no children killed by firearms but I gave up after 5 - 10 minutes.
I saw one "picture of kid deaths in DC". A baby was beaten to death.
Where possible many groups overflow with a message of fear.
> I get tired of explaining to people that banning "assault weapons" does nothing since functionally equivalent firearms are readily available.
> I then become exasperated when they just expand their wild demands to say all guns equivalent to an assault weapon need to be banned.
> The utterly absurd overreach of the Massachusetts AG and the dementia inspired AWB is beyond logic since that state hadn't had a murder using anything might even qualify for the ban for months to years prior to her grandstanding announcement.
What a lot of gun "control" is about today is a solution in search of problem which doesn't exist.
What's really fascinating is that none of these folks shows embarrassment.
Then again, when confronted about his voiced concern over the possibility Guam capsizing, Congressman Hank Johnson explained, with no embarrassment, that he was just making a joke in that hearing:
It seems that no matter what bizarreness some public figures spout off with, embarrassment is entirely optional.
You are perfectly free to use Helen Lovejoy as a role model.
Likewise, we are perfectly free (within DU rules, of course) to lampoon your doing so:
93 percent of Americans favor.... this that or the other
A note of observation- One of the longest threads on DU comes from the gungeon
regarding: "93 percent of Americans favor..."
>> I'm sure they do. If you ask 100 random people if they favor strong gun laws, UBCs, more training for CC... 93 will answer yes. The other 7 are probably and maybe 1 of those 93 are knowledgeable about existing gun laws. Not that the other 7 would be opposed but I feel that their answers may be more complicated than "yes".
regarding: "One of the longest threads on DU..."
>> Characterizing thread length as a competition may be unfair as this thread exists in...
...such a "target rich environment".
Wha' happen'?????????
You in the O.D. coat; I got what you need. A 20 round mag loaded with .223, vintage in mint condition. First mag is free, you just pay for the ammo. You let me know when you need more. I also go 9mm and .45 but only for friends of your friend so don't spread the word. Supplies are limited. I might know a guy who might be able to find more. For a fee, I could hook you up. Anything goes pear-shaped, I don't know you, you don't know me.
Where is that head-scratching smiley? ...After all the decades of pro-gun militants' efforts to render the agency inoperative, that's encouraging."
But it's your thread so it's ok
...or not.
Still raining at your end?
...but credit where credit is due I guess.
And we're back.
After I got singled out and pounced on by the OP for committing the dastardly act of "backing up" another member, I went to the beginning to see where the thread turned. I thought maybe maybe a 2a supporter might have been rude and got the pot stirring. Surprisingly it was fine up to post 19, where OP's true intentions came to pass with a full on broadside attack on Pahu Ekapi, post 14.
Then things were semi ok with maybe a little snark, but ok overall, up to Post 77. Poor Kali, 45k+ poster made the monumental mistake of posting before she had heard about the synagogue shooting. Another full on broadside from OP. In a way I don't even see how is allowed here anywhere on the site.
Then poor dumb me LOL. I had been out of the thread since post 24 so when I came back later in the thread I didn't read it all and didn't see the Kali flogging, or I probably would have never posted in it again. After my post #121 an my ensuing flogging, I deleted 5 replies to him(op), and the series of post left looked like the rantings of a mad man, or a third grader.
It was an intentional troll thread presented as a "Lets have a good conversation" thread. I understand not stifling opinions from either side of the debate, but I thought troll threads were against the tos. I noticed several people have deleted their comments once they realized what the thread was. 3 days later I still can't wash the smell off.
Ya know, we're Democrats, vote for Democrats that will one day get the assault weapons ban, 20-30 percent of the party, and will comply with whatever laws our congress critters pass. Were not the enemy, yet we get talked to by the controllers no differently than they talk about repubs on threads in GD.
You're a great writer discntnt. If I had you wisdom I might have been able to see what was coming LOL
Take care
I started this thread as sort of an outlet for my frustrations. It's good to vent sometimes.
I've always considered both Pahu Ekapi and Kali as smart and informed folks who are generally pleasant and incisive.
ARs get a bad rap for simply being popular. A few years ago the MA Attorney General
Speaking of popular, last I checked almost 1 person in 3 in the US admits to owning a gun. Probably a majority of those folks are pro-gun to some degree. I just don't think it's sensible to do the best we can as a party to alienate maybe 20-25% of the voters. When I bring that up, all I get is excuses along with some opinions of some analysis of some exit poll, lots of excuses about why gun issues have nothing to do with lost elections.
I don't see another federal AWB. Not that an AWB would be meaningful. There was a ban in place during 1999 when the Columbine shooting occurred. For that matter, one of the weapons used in that shooting was illegally transferred to the shooters by the son of a prominent gun-control husband and wife.
Thanks for the compliment but if I was as useful as I had hoped, there wouldn't be so many broad brushes painting pictures of gun owners.
I do take anything that any politician has to say about guns with several tons of salt.
I view this quote from the movie Lord of War as a bit instructive: "The reason I'll be released is the same reason you think I'll be convicted. I do rub shoulders with some of the most vile, sadistic men calling themselves leaders today. But some of these men are the enemies of your enemies. And while the biggest arms dealer in the world is your boss - the President of the United States, who ships more merchandise in a day than I do in a year - sometimes it's embarrassing to have his fingerprints on the guns. Sometimes he needs a freelancer like me to supply forces he can't be seen supplying. So. You call me evil, but unfortunately for you, I'm a necessary evil."
That and this from the last frames of the movie: "While private gunrunners continue to thrive, the world's biggest arms suppliers are the U.S., U.K., Russia, France, and China. They are also the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council."
Last I read the UK is currently behind Germany but you get the idea. You take care also.
...think outside the box and beyond that so easy to even deny the box exists?
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With the TOS of this site, I don't see how someone gets away with calling 30 percent of the party/members of DU mentally unstable. I guess it's ok if it fits the "agenda". (edit: I guess he didn't get away with it after all)
I also like the "we need to change the laws to fit our agenda" phrase
Someone followed up with a remark about Kamala Harris owning a gun. I notice the poster making the "mentally unstable" claim never responded back to that.
Wonder how she justifies lying about drug use on that pesky drug question on the 4473 since she recently admitted to smoking mj? Maybe she did a face to face, or straw purchase. Rules for thee but not for me
And then many times we hear "no one on DU has ever said all guns should be banned", when it is actually a pretty common theme once a gun thread starts in general discussion.
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...to stop a bad guy with a gun is 75.4 million millennials with a vote."
How does one bring a vote to gun fight?
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212057460
...I'm used to the disappearing especially from folks named "share...".
Just in from the whine cellar.
I really can't remember why they banned me either time nor why they let me back in but, hey, far be it from me to bake pies in someone else's oven. I'm not saying I understand; just recognizing I don't need to.
I remember you're in college or grad school but I don't remember whether you're teaching or learning. Hopefully both. I never learned anything quite so well as when I tried to teach it to someone else. If you are on the paying side rather than the getting paid side, do your best to avoid those damn loans. My college now charges more for 1 year than I paid for my first house.
Have nice night.
...It could not possibly be what madison intended in 1791.."
I've been reading the 2A and I can't seem to find references to include the organized militia nor to exclude the unorganized militia. I can only infer that the militia is the militia.
...that’s also a hook for fanatics. "
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212169240#post7
There's a new one.
Definition of naive
1 : marked by unaffected simplicity : ARTLESS, INGENUOUS
2a : deficient in worldly wisdom or informed judgment
b : not previously subjected to experimentation or a particular experimental situation
also : not having previously used a particular drug (such as marijuana)
c : not having been exposed previously to an antigen
3a : SELF-TAUGHT, PRIMITIVE
b : produced by or as if by a self-taught artist
... and should be prosecuted accordingly.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142363460#post33
Not that I think Republicans should all be viewed like Mother Teresa but, way to degrade the real meaning of "terrorist".
...a reply to #93: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172101280#post93
Yup, mighty fine.
In two scholarly articles, law professor James Lindgren of Northwestern University noted that in Arming America, Bellesiles had:
*purported to count guns in about a hundred wills from 17th- and 18th-century Providence, Rhode Island, but these did not exist *because the decedents had died intestate (i.e., without wills);
*purported to count nineteenth-century San Francisco County probate inventories, but these had been destroyed in the 1906 earthquake and fire;
*reported a national mean for gun ownership in 18th-century probate inventories that was mathematically impossible;
*misreported the condition of guns described in probate records in a way that accommodated his thesis, as for instance, claiming that in Providence records most guns were listed as old or broken when fewer than 10% were so listed;
*miscited the counts of guns in nineteenth-century Massachusetts censuses and militia reports,
*had more than a 60% error rate in finding guns listed as part of estates in Vermont records; and
*had a 100% error rate in the cited gun-related homicide cases of seventeenth-century Plymouth, Massachusetts.
it does.
Every time you turn on the stove to fry an egg, it's a potential grease fire.
Every time you go for a drive a brake line can fail.
Every time you build a dog house a meteorite may crush it.
Every time you....
Every politician is a potential...
...well the list of problematic politicians from around the world and over history is a bit dramatic but dolt45 is a case in point. Well, maybe not the ones from the good party but those others...
They are both made for the same reason.
Killing lots of people.
What's the difference
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215265201
No difference at all, perfectly rational comparison
...#23 from the X_Digger list:
"Nuclear weapons are "arms". Every 6 year old should have some."
"Swarm" - a large or dense group of insects, especially flying ones
"Gunswarm" - [no web results]
Observation: Regarding the RKBA topic, some extraordinarily pro regulation, restriction and ban minded folks often misuse or invent terminology. Discussion, while sometimes enlightening and usually amusing, is generally unproductive.
...harshly phrased arguments do nothing other than anger those on both sides. However, I have heard that surgical residents sometimes "learn" new procedures via the "watch one, do one, teach one" method. Having taught post secondary science and technical courses, I can attest to learning the most about something by teaching it to someone else. So part of why I engage in discussion with those from both sides is to learn something, entertainment is a free bonus.
Well, it's been quite some time since the last entry.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216208052#post97
What's a PGR? Anyone?
...(according to some), then let's make them less "macho" to own. I suggest we push for legislation requiring gun makers to make their AR-styled rifles come in only one color: HOT PINK!
apparently close is good enough
(just a little thread resurrection)
