Vigan's schism trial raises questions for US bishops (safe haven)

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The charge of schism against Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, the disgraced former nuncio to the U.S., is a consequential event. It is one thing to wrestle with this or that teaching of the church, to like or dislike this pope or that. But to so question and undermine the authority of the church itself such that you find yourself charged formally with schism, this is a grave thing.

There can be little doubt that Viganò is guilty of the charge. You only need to follow his Twitter feed to recognize the archbishop has become unhinged. And his criticisms are not just directed at Pope Francis. Viganò now routinely questions the teachings and authority of the Second Vatican Council, citing prior papal and conciliar teachings. By definition, that entails deploying those prior teachings out of context — to say nothing of the hubris required to insist one is right and the more than 2,000 bishops who attended Vatican II were wrong.

This is not just schismatic; it is bizarre. It would be like challenging a decision of the federal government today because it violated the Articles of Confederation. Who cares? The articles gave way to the constitution and Vatican I gave way to Vatican II. Better to say, Vatican II incorporated the teachings of all prior councils into its own teachings. If you attack Vatican II, you are attacking all previous councils as well.

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(W)hat about the 40 or so bishops who rushed out with statements supporting Viganò (prior to the trial)? Will they, now, at long last, withdraw their previous statements of support?

[lapucelle]

1. I go to a Jesuit church, and the homily this week

was about those who follow the gospels, as opposed to those who follow the catechism or make claims to abide by "the letter of the law". I definitely felt that the subtext was about the trial.

Pope Francis is fighting the good fight, and I think he's fighting it well. The very fact that he was elected pope keeps me hopeful.

As for the American bishops... they are awful. As Francis continues to sideline and marginalize the extremists, they will become less and less influential.

Both Bill Barr and Steve Bannon are followers of the extremist sect. I truly believe that their real goal was not to wield political power, but to end Roe v Wade and that they were willing to sell out their country to do it.

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2. Yes. The bishops are awful.

Happily, they are only a tiny part of the global church. Unhappily, they're here.