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Richard D

(9,725 posts)
Wed May 14, 2025, 05:37 PM Wednesday

For those who wondered about why intelligence didn't warn of Oct 7 attack by Gaza

I have seen this from several reliable sources. When I have a link, I will add it:

📌📌 Braking EXPOSED: Hamas Double Agent Within Shin Bet Network

In a chilling revelation, Israel has reportedly arrested a source embedded in Gaza who worked with Shin Bet, Israel’s internal security service—but not for the reasons they believed.

This man was a double agent—secretly loyal to Hamas.
Just before the October 7 massacre, he falsely assured Israeli intelligence that Hamas had no plans to strike, deliberately blinding Israel to the most devastating attack in decades.

The betrayal didn’t happen on the battlefield. It happened in the shadows—inside the intelligence network trusted to protect Israeli lives. This deception may have helped Hamas catch Israel completely off guard, costing over 1,200 lives and leaving an entire nation in trauma.

This isn’t just espionage. This is blood treason.
And it highlights the cruel sophistication of Hamas: not only does it murder civilians—it plays the long game, infiltrating trust, manipulating truth, and exploiting Israel’s own system of protection.

Let this be a warning: our enemy doesn’t always wear a uniform. Sometimes it wears a mask of cooperation.
The State of Israel must now ask the hard questions—how many more infiltrators? How many more lies were whispered into our ears while the enemy sharpened their knives?

Never again can we afford to trust without vigilance.

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For those who wondered about why intelligence didn't warn of Oct 7 attack by Gaza (Original Post) Richard D Wednesday OP
Even bigger is that IDF ignored the ** women ** forward observers who raised the alerts. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #1
Say what? Eko Wednesday #2
Rule number one . . . Richard D Wednesday #3
Of course it is not the Jewish peoples fault for Hamas attacking them Eko 6 hrs ago #5
The same thing timms139 Wednesday #4

Bernardo de La Paz

(55,566 posts)
1. Even bigger is that IDF ignored the ** women ** forward observers who raised the alerts. . . . nt
Wed May 14, 2025, 06:09 PM
Wednesday

Eko

(9,155 posts)
2. Say what?
Wed May 14, 2025, 09:49 PM
Wednesday
Israeli officials obtained Hamas’s battle plan for the Oct. 7 terrorist attack more than a year before it happened, documents, emails and interviews show. But Israeli military and intelligence officials dismissed the plan as aspirational, considering it too difficult for Hamas to carry out.

The approximately 40-page document, which the Israeli authorities code-named “Jericho Wall,” outlined, point by point, exactly the kind of devastating invasion that led to the deaths of about 1,200 people.

The translated document, which was reviewed by The New York Times, did not set a date for the attack, but described a methodical assault designed to overwhelm the fortifications around the Gaza Strip, take over Israeli cities and storm key military bases, including a division headquarters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html

They had the plans for a year and you think one intelligence person just before the attack told them, nah, and all of them were like ok. I guess that one person also told Israel to not only not anticipate such a bold Hamas assault, but also told them that they didnt need any plans, forces, and levels of readiness to effectively respond to such a scenario right? In other words he said, no, they are not going to attack and you have no reason to war game out the possibility of such an attack because I said so and everyone listened?

Eko

(9,155 posts)
5. Of course it is not the Jewish peoples fault for Hamas attacking them
Thu May 15, 2025, 06:51 PM
6 hrs ago

and committing horrible atrocities. That is on Hamas 100%
But your title was "For those who wondered about why intelligence didn't warn of Oct 7 attack by Gaza"
That title tries to rewrite what actually happened. Intelligence did warn about it as has been documented by Israel itself.
Just like 9-11 the leaders did not listen to it and take it seriously.

Meanwhile, in July 2023, a non-commissioned officer in AMAN’s 8200 SIGINT unit warned that a recent exercise by the group “closely followed the Jericho Wall plan, and that Hamas was building the capacity to carry it out.”80 The soldier issued additional warnings about Hamas’ plans over the coming weeks.81 According to Israeli media, these warnings reportedly led to a meeting between the soldier, an intelligence officer in the IDF’s Gaza Division, and others.82 While there was no specific information regarding time, date, and exact location, the Gaza Division subsequently prepared a document warning that Hamas was planning a large-scale invasion and intended to take up to 250 hostages.83 The same noncommissioned officer from Unit 8200 sent another warning to a number of IDF officers a few days before October 7, urging them to make preparations to minimize the impact of the expected attack.84 According to The New York Times, the soldier’s superiors dismissed her analysis, calling the plan “aspirational,” “totally imaginative,” and therefore beyond Hamas’ capabilities.85 n One of the former heads of Israeli military intelligence, Amos Malka, has argued that these warnings were never passed on “to the top echelons of Military Intelligence or the top political decision-makers.”86 There have been some allegations that male chauvinism may have played part in dismissing her as well as the reports of the above-mentioned surveillance soldiers.87 However, it is possible that there was a reluctance to pass on these warnings due to an earlier warning in early 2024 of an attack that did not materialize.

https://ctc.westpoint.edu/the-october-7-attack-an-assessment-of-the-intelligence-failings/
As a matter of record intelligence did warn of the attack multiple times in multiple ways. That doesn't make it the Jewish peoples fault, it just means there was an intelligence failure. That happens. It happened to us in the US with 9-11. For me to state what is a matter of record and then for that disagreement to be inferred to be anti-Semitic because I disagree to me seems to be kind of wrong.

timms139

(271 posts)
4. The same thing
Wed May 14, 2025, 10:50 PM
Wednesday

could happen right here in our country as the Maga Taliban party has infested our government . Drunks and power hungry people will do anything to get where they want to be . They show love for Putin and other people killers who just won't accept anybody not agreeing with them .

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