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The link to this Guardian article appeared in my Nature News Brief a few days back:
Hand of Irulegi: ancient bronze artefact could help trace origins of Basque language
An excerpt:
Although the piece known as the Hand of Irulegi was discovered last year by archaeologists from the Aranzadi Science Society who have been digging near the city of Pamplona since 2017, its importance has only recently become clear.
Experts studying the hand and its inscriptions now believe it to be both the oldest written example of Proto-Basque and a find that upends much of what was previously known about the Vascones, a late iron age tribe who inhabited parts of northern Spain before the arrival of the Romans, and whose language is thought to have been an ancestor of modern-day Basque, or euskera.
Until now, scholars had supposed the Vascones had no proper written language save for words found on coins and only began writing after the Romans introduced the Latin alphabet. But the five words written in 40 characters identified as Vasconic, suggest otherwise.
The first and only word to be identified so far is sorioneku, a forerunner of the modern Basque word zorioneko, meaning good luck or good omen.
Javier Velaza, a professor of Latin philology at the University of Barcelona and one of the experts who deciphered the hand, said the discovery had finally confirmed the existence of a written Vasconic language...
Basque, along with Hungarian, is one of two languages in Europe that are not in the Indo-European family; other examples are languages in the Sami family of languages, which survive in Scandinavia and parts of North European Russia.
Wicked Blue
(6,640 posts)along with smaller, related languages including Karelian, Voro-Seto and Veps.
It is estimated there are about 6.1 million speakers of Finnic languages. Including myself.
NNadir
(34,645 posts)...German professor told the class in college.
He said that because of the number of cases in Finnish, that the Finnish parliament spends 11 months of the year debating grammar, and in the other month agree to speak Swedish and get all their work done.
No offense, I hope.
Wicked Blue
(6,640 posts)Even though it's close to Estonian, which I speak fluently, Finnish spelling and grammar mystify me.
Igel
(36,075 posts)And good data for Magyar.
Vascuence ... There's the problem. An isolate (probably not, but there's a time depth issue here), the real question is whether it's really related to the first iberian/Western European language or whether it intruded from north Africa (meaning Berber-related ... argh).
NNadir
(34,645 posts)...genetically Hungarians seem to bear only a limited genetic connection with speakers of the other Uralic languages.
Mitogenomic data indicate admixture components of Central-Inner Asian and Srubnaya origin in the conquering Hungarians. (It's PLOS One, open access) The authors are Hungarian.
I have wondered about the Hungarian language and how its structure might impact the way people learn, mostly because of "The Martians," the large number of great scientists who emigrated from Hungary to the United States. (One scientist sometimes included among them is George Olah, whose energy ideas about a closed carbon cycle using MeOH/DME dominate my environmental thinking.)
Basque is an entirely different issue of course; I feel I've heard it discussed as the the remnants of early European languages, but to be honest, this is just an impression I've had. Frankly I know very little about it, which is why I suppose this paper caught my eye and I posted reference to it here.