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BootinUp

(49,020 posts)
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 10:16 AM Apr 2024

Scientists push new paradigm of animal consciousness, saying even insects may be sentient

Bees play by rolling wooden balls — apparently for fun. The cleaner wrasse fish appears to recognize its own visage in an underwater mirror. Octopuses seem to react to anesthetic drugs and will avoid settings where they likely experienced past pain.

All three of these discoveries came in the last five years — indications that the more scientists test animals, the more they find that many species may have inner lives and be sentient. A surprising range of creatures have shown evidence of conscious thought or experience, including insects, fish and some crustaceans.

That has prompted a group of top researchers on animal cognition to publish a new pronouncement that they hope will transform how scientists and society view — and care — for animals.

Nearly 40 researchers signed “The New York Declaration on Animal Consciousness,” which was first presented at a conference at New York University on Friday morning. It marks a pivotal moment, as a flood of research on animal cognition collides with debates over how various species ought to be treated.

Continued at NBC News
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/animal-consciousness-scientists-push-new-paradigm-rcna148213

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Scientists push new paradigm of animal consciousness, saying even insects may be sentient (Original Post) BootinUp Apr 2024 OP
Science catching up with ancient Vedic wisdom sanatanadharma Apr 2024 #1
Scientists are people, and therefore subject to cultural/sociological teachings, until they're not! BComplex Apr 2024 #2
This is a sentient planet WhiteTara Apr 2024 #3
Many native people give sentience to rocks and stones al bupp Apr 2024 #4
I would say a lot of this is pretty self evident just by observation.... bahboo Apr 2024 #5
You know who says animals don't have feelings? Teacher of the Year Apr 2024 #6
And all of that is only within OUR OWN understanding of sentience... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #7
That's a very good thing wendyb-NC Apr 2024 #8
the 'non-sentient' trope was largely rationalization and humbug stopdiggin Apr 2024 #9
I was also thinking it was taught to earlier generations through religious BootinUp Apr 2024 #10
that animals don't have awareness? stopdiggin Apr 2024 #11
This may all be true BWdem4life Apr 2024 #12
What is it like to be a bat? Jim__ Apr 2024 #13

sanatanadharma

(4,074 posts)
1. Science catching up with ancient Vedic wisdom
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 10:24 AM
Apr 2024

Sentience is life
Life is not inert
The inert is insentient.


BComplex

(9,067 posts)
2. Scientists are people, and therefore subject to cultural/sociological teachings, until they're not!
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 10:54 AM
Apr 2024

I'm so glad there are so many that are evolving, as compared to the willfully asleep. Woke is a blessing, ignorance is a curse for humanity.

WhiteTara

(30,151 posts)
3. This is a sentient planet
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 11:18 AM
Apr 2024

All “things” are sentient. Things that fly, creep, crawl, swim, walk.

We can blame dominion ism for the abomination that humans are the only ones that think or feel.

al bupp

(2,349 posts)
4. Many native people give sentience to rocks and stones
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 12:16 PM
Apr 2024

Who's to say what a rock might think over, say a million years?

bahboo

(16,953 posts)
5. I would say a lot of this is pretty self evident just by observation....
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 12:24 PM
Apr 2024

and anyone surprised by octopi? Jesus, they're probably more intelligent than many who vote repub.....it's just that animals exhibit a different kind of intelligence.

6. You know who says animals don't have feelings?
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 12:58 PM
Apr 2024

Bad pet owners or people who have never had a pet.

My dog goes through the seven stages of grief every time I don't share my sandwich with her.

Think. Again.

(17,841 posts)
7. And all of that is only within OUR OWN understanding of sentience...
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 01:00 PM
Apr 2024

...based strictly on human comprehension and experience.

wendyb-NC

(3,794 posts)
8. That's a very good thing
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 01:15 PM
Apr 2024

Many of us have known this since we could roll over in the crib. It's true always been true. They deserve respect, compassion and appreciation.

stopdiggin

(12,801 posts)
9. the 'non-sentient' trope was largely rationalization and humbug
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 01:26 PM
Apr 2024

in its very inception. ('very intelligent men', granted deference, and being allowed their hubris)

On the other hand, we now have (serious) claims that plants have feelings, experience emotions ...
Which, to many, is going to seem a 'stretch' ...

stopdiggin

(12,801 posts)
11. that animals don't have awareness?
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 01:40 PM
Apr 2024

I'm not sure if that is actually teaching or doctrine ... While being first to admit I'm not totally qualified ...

Jim__

(14,449 posts)
13. What is it like to be a bat?
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 07:07 PM
Apr 2024
Quanta also had an article on this. An excerpt from their article:

The declaration focuses on the most basic kind of consciousness, known as phenomenal consciousness. Roughly put, if a creature has phenomenal consciousness, then it is “like something” to be that creature — an idea enunciated by the philosopher Thomas Nagel in his influential 1974 essay, “What is it like to be a bat?” Even if a creature is very different from us, Nagel wrote, “fundamentally an organism has conscious mental states if and only if there is something that it is like to be that organism. … We may call this the subjective character of experience.” If a creature is phenomenally conscious, it has the capacity to experience feelings such as pain or pleasure or hunger, but not necessarily more complex mental states such as self-awareness.
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