Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Judi Lynn

(162,361 posts)
Sat May 20, 2023, 10:27 PM May 2023

Ancient Humans in Europe Started Controlling Fire Far, Far Earlier Than We Thought

20 May 2023
By CLAYTON MAGILL

Human history is intimately entwined with the use and control of fire. However, working out when our relationship with fire began and how it subsequently evolved has been notoriously difficult.

This is partly due to the incomplete nature of archaeological records, and also because fire use was fleeting, making burnt remains difficult to detect. But our team has found evidence of the controlled use of fire by direct human ancestors – or hominins – at a site in Spain dating to 250,000 years ago.

This pushes the earliest evidence of fire control in Europe back by 50,000 years. The findings have been published in Nature Scientific Reports. It is truly special to find the remains of human ancestors and fire at the same location.

There is much earlier evidence of hominins exploiting fire, but this could have taken the form of hominins taking advantage of the burning embers from a natural wildfire to cook their food.

More:
https://www.sciencealert.com/ancient-humans-in-europe-started-controlling-fire-far-far-earlier-than-we-thought

5 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Ancient Humans in Europe Started Controlling Fire Far, Far Earlier Than We Thought (Original Post) Judi Lynn May 2023 OP
We keep underestimating how advanced, intelligent and civilized ancient humans were. Irish_Dem May 2023 #1
Interestingly, human cranial capacity has shrunk about 15% or so in the last 10-20,000 years GeoWilliam750 May 2023 #2
There is not a direct strong correlation between brain size and IQ. Irish_Dem May 2023 #3
I like theories of Richard Wrangham Random Boomer May 2023 #4
Efficiency. Better neural path connections as we evolved wnylib May 2023 #5

Irish_Dem

(57,054 posts)
1. We keep underestimating how advanced, intelligent and civilized ancient humans were.
Sat May 20, 2023, 10:48 PM
May 2023

Just like we keep underestimating the intelligence, abilities and communication skills of animals.

What does this say about us?

GeoWilliam750

(2,540 posts)
2. Interestingly, human cranial capacity has shrunk about 15% or so in the last 10-20,000 years
Sun May 21, 2023, 12:40 AM
May 2023

Depending on whose text you would want to use, the average male Cro-Magnon skull had a capacity of about 1,600 cc or perhaps slightly more.

Modern man has a brain capacity of somewhere around 1,350-1,400.

Neanderthal was probably slightly larger than that of the modern human.

I have not heard a good explanation of why this might be.

Irish_Dem

(57,054 posts)
3. There is not a direct strong correlation between brain size and IQ.
Sun May 21, 2023, 08:34 AM
May 2023

The size of the brain is related to body size, so women have smaller brains but they
do not have lower IQs than males.

Right we don't know exactly why modern humans have smaller brains than ancient man.
A lot of theories.

Random Boomer

(4,249 posts)
4. I like theories of Richard Wrangham
Sun May 21, 2023, 09:07 AM
May 2023

He writes at great length about the way in which humans have weeded out overly aggressive males, and he ascribes the smaller brain size to the loss of areas related to reactive aggression.

wnylib

(24,341 posts)
5. Efficiency. Better neural path connections as we evolved
Sun May 21, 2023, 09:37 AM
May 2023

allowed us to sustain or increase intelligence in a smaller area.

I remember discussing this in anthropology classes regarding brain and head size, hip size, and bipedalism in human evolution.

Modern humans are born with more brain cells than we will keep. Some will form neural pathways that can branch out and connect with other neural pathways. The human brain goes through a synaptic trimming process of losing some cells. It goes on throughout our lives but there are growth stages when it seems more intense, if I remember correctly, e.g. age 6 and again at the start of adolescence. This does not mean that we lose intelligence or the abity to learn new things. Our brains become more efficient through this trimming, capable of gathering and storing information in categories that can interrelate with each other. This builds depth of meaningful knowledge instead of just collecting and saving random bits of data. It allows human metacognition which is the ability to plan and to take charge of our learning processes through self awareness of our thoughts.

During evolution, once our brains reached a certain size, it became counterproductive for the brain to continue growing in utero. A brain and its head that were too large would create problems in giving birth. The baby would die if the head could not get through the birth canal, or the mother and baby could both die. Once our ancestors became bipedal, smaller hip size was an advantage in staying upright. That created limitations on head size, too.

The more that our hominin ancestors encountered each other and interbred, the more that variations in head, brain, and hip size mattered. We evolved adaptations and mutations. The beneficial ones remained, giving us brains that self trim for both efficiency and increased thinking capacity.

So smaller brains in our very distant ancestors (Australopithecines and early Homo erectus) did mean lesser intelligence. But since the evolutionary process of the brain became more biologically complex with the emergence of Homo sapiens, brain size in our more recent ancestors (Neanderthal and Heidelbergensis) did not necessarily mean greater intelligence than modern Homo sapiens.

Latest Discussions»Culture Forums»Anthropology»Ancient Humans in Europe ...