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HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 04:26 PM Oct 2013

Michael Pollan as GMO ‘denialist’ dupes credulous New York Times

http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2013/10/22/michael-pollan-brags-about-twisting-facts-to-support-anti-gmo-activism-and-duping-credulous-new-york-times/#.Umg-B53n_IW

"This title is stark. Stay with me. This is not a hit piece on Michael Pollan. This is a disturbing story about the misuse of the power of journalism by one of the most, if not the most, influential food writers in the world.

Strong words. Read on.

Michael Pollan is a big deal, arguably more influential on agriculture policy than the Secretary of Agriculture and certainly one of the most powerful figures in journalism. He is the author of five books, all best sellers, professor of journalism at the University of California-Berkeley and one of the most cited and quoted commentators on food and the farm in the world, with more than 330,000 followers on Twitter, many of whom consider him a hero. Although the public perception of him is just the opposite, he is not a reputable science journalist or—by his own admission—an objective reporter—on organics or agriculture.

...

But what is the real world according to Pollan? What does he say and write when he is not among friends at Grist or participating in fawning PDAs with a fellow foodie for Smithsonian magazine. The reality is that Pollan regularly, and increasingly, talks out of both sides of his mouth—there, I wrote it—and because of his influence he is inflaming a discussion about crop biotechnology that has already gone off the rails.

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A very thorough, interesting piece.
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Michael Pollan as GMO ‘denialist’ dupes credulous New York Times (Original Post) HuckleB Oct 2013 OP
Ok, let's look to the scientists for safety of 'food additives,' where most are exposed to GMOs. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #1
Got Gish Gallop? HuckleB Oct 2013 #4
YOU: Reject Pollan on GMOs, not a scientist. ME: Fine. Read this knowing that GMOs = food additives. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #6
GMOs are not food additives. HuckleB Oct 2013 #10
Food additives derived from GMO corn, GMO soy, GMO canola, GMO cottonseed are indeed 'GMOs.' proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #11
I said you were in la la land, and then you further prove it with your response. HuckleB Oct 2013 #13
Check it out. Full text at link. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #15
And you continue with your Gish Gallop of unrelated nonsense. HuckleB Oct 2013 #18
The science-based links are at odds with the business-based links. Got cognitive dissonance? proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #19
And you offer up another pseudoscience web site full of BS. HuckleB Oct 2013 #20
SEE POST #1, please note depth and breadth of analysis of currently abysmal state of affairs. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #21
And you're off in another direction. HuckleB Oct 2013 #22
Hardly. Here are all the links separated from the news aggregating sites you're so fond of dissing. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #23
That translates into a whole lotta recent science w zero relevance of personal attacks on M.Pollan. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #24
That translates into a bunch of nothing. HuckleB Oct 2013 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author proverbialwisdom Jan 2014 #46
The update was to my own post which lit up the yellow tab for MY POSTS and linked to this old post. proverbialwisdom Jan 2014 #48
UPDATE. proverbialwisdom Jan 2014 #45
Woo Hoo! Let's update the way people spread anti-science fears! HuckleB Jan 2014 #53
PRESS RELEASE > Environmental Chemicals Harm Reproductive Health: Ob-Gyns Advocate for Policy Change proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #2
Age of Autism? HuckleB Oct 2013 #3
Nope, The American Society for Reproductive Medicine & The American College of Obstetricians and Gyn proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #7
You fail to understand that you're not discussing the OP. HuckleB Oct 2013 #9
GMO's are mainly consumed as food additives which scientists, not Pollan, are assessing in my links. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #12
No, they're not. HuckleB Oct 2013 #14
No need to be rude. The whole world (slightly exaggerated) apart from the US is wrong? Snort. nt proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #16
The whole world's scientific community is wrong? HuckleB Oct 2013 #17
I see you suffer from the same afflication as many of your compatriots EvolveOrConvolve Oct 2013 #5
Oh, please, it's a PRESS RELEASE backed by 57,000 ob-gyns + 7.000 reproductive medicine specialists. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #8
RECOMMENDED Press Statement, along with Pollan's brilliant 'Food Rules: An Eater's Manual.' proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #26
The OP already debunked all this BS. HuckleB Oct 2013 #27
My god, more diarrhea EvolveOrConvolve Oct 2013 #28
A good look at GMO denialism. HuckleB Oct 2013 #29
Organic Food Causes Autism and Diabetes HuckleB Oct 2013 #30
Check it out. DISCLAIMER: Recognized experts, although I have no familiarity with Robbins or event. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #31
Stop posting pseudoscience on this forum. HuckleB Oct 2013 #32
Please see http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2000-09-03/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-NEW-PROTEINS proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #33
More bad propaganda. HuckleB Oct 2013 #36
Don't miss this. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #34
Ah, I see you've posted from the highly respected science magazine Elle EvolveOrConvolve Oct 2013 #35
FFS. HuckleB Oct 2013 #37
Go figure. Your source cynically parses words or is woefully uninformed. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #38
I offered MULTIPLE SOURCES!!!!! HuckleB Oct 2013 #39
"This is not a hit piece on Michael Pollan" - I'd hate to read what the author does consider muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #40
A hit piece is usually not entirely accurate. HuckleB Oct 2013 #41
FYI, I just saw this. proverbialwisdom Nov 2013 #42
Both classic crank anti-GMO sources. HuckleB Nov 2013 #43
More reading for you here. proverbialwisdom Jan 2014 #47
And the pointless Gish Gallop continues. HuckleB Jan 2014 #50
If that's your understanding, may I suggest due diligence necessitates additional reading? proverbialwisdom Jan 2014 #49
Re-reading BS isn't going to change anything. HuckleB Jan 2014 #51
A Generous Offer to Dr. Huber -Turned Down HuckleB Nov 2013 #44
Pollan, Other Activists Fear Monger With Ignorance -- AGAIN! HuckleB Jan 2014 #52

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
1. Ok, let's look to the scientists for safety of 'food additives,' where most are exposed to GMOs.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 05:43 PM
Oct 2013

Last edited Thu Oct 24, 2013, 05:30 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3705099

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=B846909A-A5E3-4A27-A8DA-631FD66F9DED

POLITICO
NRDC to launch attack on food ingredient approvals
By: Helena Bottemiller Evich
September 10, 2013 04:30 PM EDT


http://www.pewhealth.org/other-resource/pew-examines-gaps-in-toxicity-data-for-chemicals-allowed-in-food-85899493633

Aug 14, 2013
PEW EXAMINES GAPS IN TOXICITY DATA FOR CHEMICALS ALLOWED IN FOOD
Project: Food Additives Project

The peer-reviewed journal Reproductive Toxicology published a paper from The Pew Charitable Trusts' food additives project examining the data used to make safety recommendations for chemicals added to food sold in the United States. The analysis of three major sources of toxicology information found significant gaps in the data for chemicals that are added to food and food packaging.

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Only one in five chemicals has been evaluated using the simplest lab animal test recommended by FDA to evaluate safety.

Only one in eight chemicals that FDA recommended be evaluated for reproductive or development problems had evidence it was tested for these effects.

The lack of data means that often we don’t know whether these chemicals pose a health risk to the hundreds of millions of Americans who eat food with untested chemical additives.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
11. Food additives derived from GMO corn, GMO soy, GMO canola, GMO cottonseed are indeed 'GMOs.'
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 09:49 PM
Oct 2013

Hence the GMOs found in 60%-70% of processed foods. It is nonsensical to suggest otherwise.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303680404579141741399966328

The Irrational Fear of GM Food

By MARC VAN MONTAGU
Oct. 22, 2013 6:44 p.m. ET


Billions of people have eaten genetically modified food over the past two decades. Not one problem has been found.

...Biotechnology offers an unparalleled safety record and demonstrated commercial success. Remarkably, however, biotechnology might not reach its full potential. In part, that’s because outspoken opponents of GM crops in the U.S. have spearheaded a “labeling” movement that would distinguish modified food from other food on grocery store shelves. Never mind that 60%-70% of processed food on the market contains genetically modified ingredients.

...In fact, people have consumed billions of meals containing GM foods in the 17 years since they were first commercialized, and not one problem has been documented.

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proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
15. Check it out. Full text at link.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 11:56 PM
Oct 2013
http://www.100daysofrealfood.com/2013/02/11/food-companies-exploit-americans-with-ingredients-banned-in-other-countries/

How Food Companies Exploit Americans with Ingredients Banned in Other Countries
By Food Babe on February 11th, 2013

(679 comments)


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The health of Americans is downright grim according to a report just released by the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council. It declares “Americans are sicker and die younger than other people in wealthy nations.” The United States spends 2.5 times more on health care than any other nation, however, when compared with 16 other nations we come in dead last in terms of health and life expectancy for men and near the bottom for women.

Here is the breakdown for you:

- More than two thirds of United States citizens are overweight – 33% being obese.
- 32% of children are either obese or overweight.
- 43% of Americans are projected to be obese in 10 years.
- After smoking, obesity is America’s biggest cause of premature death and is linked to 70% of heart disease and 80% of diabetes cases.
- And 41% of Americans are projected to get cancer in their lifetime!

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"For numerous suspicious and disturbing reasons, the U.S. has allowed foods that are banned in many other developed countries into our food supply," says nutritionist Mira Calton who, together with her husband Jayson Calton, Ph.D., wrote the new book Rich Food, Poor Food due out this February.

During a six-year expedition that took them to 100 countries on seven continents, the Caltons studied more than 150 ingredients and put together a comprehensive list of the top 13 problematic products that are forbidden by governments, outside the U.S., due to their detrimental effects on human health.

"If you see any of the following ingredients listed on the nutrition label, don't buy the product," Calton warns. "Leaving these banned bad boys on the shelves will speak volumes to grocery stores and food manufactures about what informed consumers simply won't tolerate."

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Using banned ingredients that other countries have determined unsafe for human consumption has become a pandemic in this country. To prove this point, I found the best and easiest place to look for evidence was just across “the pond” in the United Kingdom, where they enjoy some of the same types of products we do – but with totally different ingredient lists.

It is appalling to witness the examples I am about to share with you. The U.S. food corporations are unnecessarily feeding us chemicals – while leaving out almost all questionable ingredients in our friends’ products overseas. The point is the food industry has already formulated safer, better products, but they are voluntarily only selling inferior versions of these products here in America. The evidence of this runs the gamut from fast food places to boxed cake mix to cereal to candy and even oatmeal – you can’t escape it.

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Some of the key American brands that are participating in this deception are McDonald’s, Pringles (owned by Kellogg’s), Pizza Hut and Quaker (owned by Pepsi), Betty Crocker (owned by General Mills), Starburst (owned by M&M/Mars), and Ritz Crackers (owned by Kraft). In the examples below, red text indicates potentially harmful ingredients and/or ingredients likely to contain GMOs.

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In the U.K. food companies are required by law to list if a certain ingredient is derived from a genetically modified or genetically engineered material on the label. Out of all the products I researched, I couldn’t find one product with this label. (See example from GMO-Compass and BBC above of what it would look like if I did.)

This was very telling considering that not only have food companies taken out all sorts of hazardous chemical ingredients abroad – but they also have willingly reformulated their products without GMOs.

Food corporations in the U.S. claim reformulating their products to remove harmful ingredients or changing labels would be too expensive – but they’ve already done just that in Europe and in many other countries. Their governments listened to the outrage of their people and took the safety of their citizens’ health above everything else. Is it too much to ask the same for us in the United States of America? How much do our sickness, obesity, and mortality rates have to worsen before they respond to us?

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
18. And you continue with your Gish Gallop of unrelated nonsense.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 10:17 AM
Oct 2013

You are pushing bad science, bad sites, and bad information with no context.

You are not on the right page to do this. You have to be honest here. This is where science actually matters.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonentine/2013/10/14/2000-reasons-why-gmos-are-safe-to-eat-and-environmentally-sustainable/

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
19. The science-based links are at odds with the business-based links. Got cognitive dissonance?
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 10:41 AM
Oct 2013
http://gmwatch.org/index.php/news/archive/2013/15032-expert-who-predicted-global-economic-crash-thinks-risks-from-gmos-too-great

Expert who predicted global economic crash thinks risks from GMOs too great
September 4, 2013


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Last week the maverick biologist and billionaire entrepreneur Craig Venter tweeted: "Golden rice vitamin A could prevent blindness in 250000 children/year. Anti GMO people check your morals."

READ HERE: https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/372779980230369280

The global risk expert and the Distinguished Professor of Risk Engineering at New York University, Nassim Nicholas Taleb, responded on Twitter:

"Pro GMO people, check your understanding of 1) Risk & probability and 2) invoking 'morals' as a tactic while endangering people."

"Point 2: There are other alternatives with controlled & known side effects."

He also told Venter, a synthetic biologist with massive vested interests in the acceptance of genetic engineering and no background in risk (nor toxicology for that matter!):

"@JCVenter In other words it is not rigorous to make something with fat-tailed risks look like the 'only' alternative to [blindness] when it is not."

"Fat-tailed risks" means that when things go bad, they can go catastrophically bad.

Taleb has outlined his strong concerns about GM before. Below is what he wrote a couple of months ago. There are graphs in the original text, which are available at the link.

EXTRACT: Now, for mathematical reasons (a mechanism called the "Lindy Effect&quot , linked to the relationship between time and fragility, mother nature is vastly "wiser" so to speak than humans, as time has a lot of value in detecting what is breakable and what is not. Time is also a bullshit detector. Nothing humans have introduced in modern times has made us unconditionally better without unpredictable side effects, and ones that are usually detected with considerable delays (transfats, steroids, tobacco, Thalidomide, etc.)

...GMOs... their risk is not local. Invoking the risk of "famine" is a poor strategy, no different from urging people to play Russian roulette in order to get out of poverty. And calling the GMO approach "scientific" betrays a very poor — indeed warped — understanding of probabilistic payoffs and risk management.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
20. And you offer up another pseudoscience web site full of BS.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 11:33 AM
Oct 2013

You fail to understand how science works, and you also fail to understand how business works. Here you think an anecdote somehow makes for a consensus. Yeah, that's not how things work. Your fictions are not worthy of discussion. Stop pushing BS. It's disrespectful at best. It is not ok to do so on this forum.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
22. And you're off in another direction.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 12:14 PM
Oct 2013

Of course you haven't the slightest idea what that study actually says, anyway.

Please stop. You are not discussing anything. You are tossing haphazard nonsense and hoping something does something.

It's doing nothing.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
23. Hardly. Here are all the links separated from the news aggregating sites you're so fond of dissing.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 01:43 PM
Oct 2013

Last edited Thu Oct 24, 2013, 05:38 PM - Edit history (2)

IN SUMMARY: GMO corn/soy/canola/cottonseed crops -> manufactured into food additives -> inadequately tested as recently detailed in multiple peer-reviewed journal articles by multi-year PEW FOOD ADDITIVES PROJECT -> backed by last month's PRESS RELEASE from AMERICAN professional medical groups comprised of 57,000 ob-gyns + 7.000 reproductive medicine specialists.

Take it or leave it. I wish you good health.


http://www.pewhealth.org/other-resource/pew-examines-gaps-in-toxicity-data-for-chemicals-allowed-in-food-85899493633
http://www.pewhealth.org/projects/food-additives-project-85899367220
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0890623813003298

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=B846909A-A5E3-4A27-A8DA-631FD66F9DED

http://www.asrm.org/Environmental_Chemicals_Harm_Reproductive_Health/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/23/environmental-chemicals-pregnancy-risk/2857753/
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/09/24/environmental-chemicals-pregnancy-risk-report-claims/

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303680404579141741399966328

http://www.100daysofrealfood.com/2013/02/11/food-companies-exploit-americans-with-ingredients-banned-in-other-countries/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/09/americans-health-mortality-illness/1818903/

https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/372779980230369280
http://www.artangel.org.uk/projects/2000/longplayer/artangel_longplayer_letters/nassim_nicholas_taleb_to_stewart_brand
http://gmwatch.org/index.php/news/archive/2013/15032-expert-who-predicted-global-economic-crash-thinks-risks-from-gmos-too-great (unavoidable overview for laypersons)

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
25. That translates into a bunch of nothing.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 01:52 PM
Oct 2013

2000 studies show GMO safety. Not one study that hasn't been debunked because it was horrible has shown any big issues. And most of your links are just asking questions, and have nothing to do with GMOs. Several of them are repeats.

You might want to look up Gish Gallop. It's what you're doing here. It's not ok. It's foolish. It's ugly.

You don't know how to discuss this issue, because you clearly don't understand it. Posting a bunch of BS links doesn't change that.

You have not made one relevant post in regard to the content of the OP.

Not one. Are you going actually continue to spam this forum with more pseudoscience nonsense that you don't understand?

Response to HuckleB (Reply #18)

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
48. The update was to my own post which lit up the yellow tab for MY POSTS and linked to this old post.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 05:17 PM
Jan 2014

Rushing, I missed these details and messed up. Sorry. Hope I didn't ruin your holiday!

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
45. UPDATE.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 04:31 PM
Jan 2014
https://www.facebook.com/thefoodbabe/posts/702849626416418

Nothing like ending the year in a bang with fabulous coverage of our work in the NY Times. Thank you #FoodBabeArmy... but don't be fooled by Kraft's lame corporate response. We all know it didn't take Kraft 1.5 years to reformulate a product they have already sold in Europe for over 7 years. You made that change possible here in the U.S. and you should be so proud of your work. Just wait until 2014...we are gonna rock more despicable food industry practices down, aren't we? MUAH! Happy New Year!


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/31/business/media/social-media-as-a-megaphone-to-push-food-makers-to-change.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0

Social Media as a Megaphone to Pressure the Food Industry

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Renee Shutters with her son Trenton. She omitted all foods containing petroleum-based dyes from her son’s diet a few years ago.

By STEPHANIE STROM
Published: December 30, 2013


Renee Shutters has long worried that food dyes — used in candy like blue M&M’s — were hurting her son, Trenton.

She testified before the Food and Drug Administration, but nothing happened. It wasn’t until she went online, using a petition with the help of the Center for Science in the Public Interest, that her pleas to remove artificial dyes from food seemed to be heard.

Mars, the candy’s maker, is now hinting that it may soon replace at least one of the dyes with an alternative derived from seaweed.

“I’ve really thought about calling them,” Ms. Shutters said about Mars. “I’m not trying to be this horrible person. What I’m really thinking is that this is an opportunity for their company to lead what would be an awesome publicity coup by taking these dyes out of their products.”

While the F.D.A. continues to allow certain dyes to be used in foods, deeming them safe, parents and advocacy groups have been using websites and social media as powerful megaphones to force titans of the food industry to reconsider the ingredients in their foods and the labeling and processing of their products. In several instances in the last year or so, major food companies and fast-food chains have shifted to coloring derived from spices or other plant-based sources, or changed or omitted certain labels from packaging.

Matthew Egol, a partner at Booz & Company, the consulting firm, said that while food companies had benefited from social media to gain rapid insight into trends, data on what products to introduce and which words to use in marketing, they also had been the target of complaints that sometimes become magnified in an online environment.

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proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
2. PRESS RELEASE > Environmental Chemicals Harm Reproductive Health: Ob-Gyns Advocate for Policy Change
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 05:48 PM
Oct 2013
http://www.asrm.org/Environmental_Chemicals_Harm_Reproductive_Health/

AMERICAN SOCIETY FOR REPRODUCTIVE MEDICINE

Highlights from Fertility and Sterility: Environmental Chemicals Harm Reproductive Health

September 24 , 2013
by: ASRM Office of Public Affairs
Published in ASRM Press Release

Ob-Gyns Advocate for Policy Changes to Protect Health


Washington, DC—Toxic chemicals in the environment harm our ability to reproduce, negatively affect pregnancies, and are associated with numerous other long-term health problems, according to The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (The College) and the American Society for Reproductive Medicine (ASRM). In a joint Committee Opinion, The College and ASRM urge ob-gyns to advocate for government policy changes to identify and reduce exposure to toxic environmental agents.

“Lawmakers should require the US Environmental Protection Agency and industry to define and estimate the dangers that aggregate exposure to harmful chemicals pose to pregnant women, infants, and children and act to protect these vulnerable populations,” said Jeanne A. Conry, MD, PhD, president of The College.

“Every pregnant woman in America is exposed to many different chemicals in the environment,” said Dr. Conry. “Prenatal exposure to certain chemicals is linked to miscarriages, stillbirths, and birth defects.” Many chemicals that pregnant women absorb or ingest from the environment can cross the placenta to the fetus. Exposure to mercury during pregnancy, for instance, is known to harm cognitive development in children.

The scientific evidence over the last 15 years shows that exposure to toxic environmental agents before conception and during pregnancy can have significant and long-lasting effects on reproductive health. “For example, pesticide exposure in men is associated with poor semen quality, sterility, and prostate cancer,” said Linda C. Giudice, MD, PhD, president of ASRM. “We also know that exposure to pesticides may interfere with puberty, menstruation and ovulation, fertility, and menopause in women.”

Other reproductive and health problems associated with exposure to toxic environmental agents:

* Miscarriage and stillbirth
* Impaired fetal growth and low birth weight
* Preterm birth
* Childhood cancers
* Birth defects
* Cognitive/intellectual impairment
* Thyroid problems

Approximately 700 new chemicals are introduced into the US market each year, and more than 84,000 chemical substances are being used in manufacturing and processing or are being imported.“The scary fact is that we don’t have safety data on most of these chemicals even though they are everywhere—in the air, water, soil, our food supply, and everyday products,” Dr. Conry said. “Bisphenol A (BPA), a hormone disruptor, is a common toxic chemical contained in our food, packaging, and many consumer products.”

“To successfully study the impact of these chemical exposures, we must shift the burden of proof from the individual health care provider and the consumer to the manufacturers before any chemicals are even released into the environment,” said Dr. Conry.

Certain groups of people and communities have higher exposures to harmful environmental chemicals than others. “For example, women exposed to toxic chemicals at work are at higher risk of reproductive health problems than other women,” Dr. Conry said. “Low-wage immigrants who work on farms have higher exposures to chemicals used on the crops that they harvest.”

“As reproductive health care physicians, we are in a unique position to help prevent prenatal exposure to toxic environmental agents by educating our patients about how to avoid them at home, in their community, and at work,” Dr. Giudice said.

What can physicians do?

* Learn about toxic environmental agents common in their community
* Educate patients on how to avoid toxic environmental agents
* Take environmental exposure histories during preconception and first prenatal visits
* Report identified environmental hazards to appropriate agencies
* Encourage pregnant and breastfeeding women and women in the preconception period to eat carefully washed fresh fruits and vegetables and avoid fish containing high levels of methyl-mercury (shark, swordfish, king mackerel, tilefish)
* Advance policies and practices that support a healthy food system
* Advocate for government policy changes to identify and reduce exposure to toxic environmental agents

“Exposure to Toxic Environmental Agents,” a committee opinion, is published in the October issue of Fertility and Sterility.

For examples of toxic environmental exposure patient history forms, go to http://prhe.ucsf.edu/prhe/clinical_resources.html

For the Breast Cancer Fund’s recent report on prenatal BPA exposure and breast cancer risk, see http://www.breastcancerfund.org/

The American Society for Reproductive Medicine, founded in 1944, is an organization of more than 7,000 physicians, researchers, nurses, technicians and other professionals dedicated to advancing knowledge and expertise in reproductive biology. Affiliated societies include the Society for Assisted Reproductive Technology, the Society for Male Reproduction and Urology, the Society for Reproductive Endocrinology and Infertility, the Society of Reproductive Surgeons and the Society of Reproductive Biologists and Technologists. www.asrm.org

The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (The College), a 501(c)(3) organization, is the nation’s leading group of physicians providing health care for women. As a private, voluntary, nonprofit membership organization of approximately 57,000 members, The College strongly advocates for quality health care for women, maintains the highest standards of clinical practice and continuing education of its members, promotes patient education, and increases awareness among its members and the public of the changing issues facing women’s health care. The American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG), a 501(c)(6) organization, is its companion organization.
www.acog.org

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/23/environmental-chemicals-pregnancy-risk/2857753/
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/09/24/environmental-chemicals-pregnancy-risk-report-claims/

Report: Environmental chemicals pose pregnancy risk
Lauran Neergaard, Associated Press 6:38 p.m. EDT September 23, 2013


Certain chemicals are linked to infertility, miscarriages and birth defects.

From mercury to pesticides, Americans are exposed daily to environmental chemicals that could harm reproductive health, the nation's largest groups of obstetricians and fertility specialists said Monday.

The report urges doctors to push for stricter environmental policies to better identify and reduce exposure to chemicals that prove truly risky. But it's likely to scare pregnant women in the meantime.

That's because during the first prenatal visit, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists wants doctors to ask mothers-to-be about their exposure to different chemicals. They're also supposed to teach women how to avoid some considered most worrisome during pregnancy.

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The industry's American Chemistry Council said current environmental regulations offer enough consumer protection, and that the new report will create "confusion and alarm among expectant mothers" and distract them from proven steps for a healthy pregnancy.

Link from comment posted by: cmo | September 24, 2013 at 09:58 PM: http://www.ageofautism.com/2013/03/from-the-editor.html

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
7. Nope, The American Society for Reproductive Medicine & The American College of Obstetricians and Gyn
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 07:54 PM
Oct 2013

via AOA. No 'quackery' whatsoever, nor 'fictions.'

http://www.asrm.org/Environmental_Chemicals_Harm_Reproductive_Health/

September 24 , 2013

by: ASRM Office of Public Affairs
Published in ASRM Press Release

Ob-Gyns Advocate for Policy Changes to Protect Health


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The American Society for Reproductive Medicine, founded in 1944, is an organization of more than 7,000 physicians, researchers, nurses, technicians and other professionals dedicated to advancing knowledge and expertise in reproductive biology. Affiliated societies include the Society for Assisted Reproductive Technology, the Society for Male Reproduction and Urology, the Society for Reproductive Endocrinology and Infertility, the Society of Reproductive Surgeons and the Society of Reproductive Biologists and Technologists. www.asrm.org

The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (The College), a 501(c)(3) organization, is the nation’s leading group of physicians providing health care for women. As a private, voluntary, nonprofit membership organization of approximately 57,000 members, The College strongly advocates for quality health care for women, maintains the highest standards of clinical practice and continuing education of its members, promotes patient education, and increases awareness among its members and the public of the changing issues facing women’s health care. The American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG), a 501(c)(6) organization, is its companion organization. www.acog.org

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
9. You fail to understand that you're not discussing the OP.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 08:40 PM
Oct 2013

Further, your failing to understand that your choice of pushing the Age of Autism's opinion about whatever is not a valid representation of whatever it is.

Try to catch up.

You are wrong. Admit it.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
14. No, they're not.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 11:06 PM
Oct 2013

You haven't the slightest idea what you're trying to push here. You are out to lunch. Stay there.

EvolveOrConvolve

(6,452 posts)
5. I see you suffer from the same afflication as many of your compatriots
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 07:47 PM
Oct 2013

Simply shitting out links and snippets onto a web page is not a good way to debate. It shows that you don't have original ideas of your own that can be contributed to the discussion.

And Age of Autism?

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
8. Oh, please, it's a PRESS RELEASE backed by 57,000 ob-gyns + 7.000 reproductive medicine specialists.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 08:02 PM
Oct 2013

If you read it, you might actually discover you have something to learn, however, it's your prerogative to just disparage me instead. I'm not offended.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
26. RECOMMENDED Press Statement, along with Pollan's brilliant 'Food Rules: An Eater's Manual.'
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 02:37 PM
Oct 2013


http://www.ensser.org/increasing-public-information/no-scientific-consensus-on-gmo-safety/

10/21/13

Statement: No scientific consensus on GMO safety



As scientists, physicians, academics, and experts from disciplines relevant to the scientific, legal, social and safety assessment aspects of genetically modified organisms (GMOs),(1) we strongly reject claims by GM seed developers and some scientists, commentators, and journalists that there is a “scientific consensus” on GMO safety(2) (3) (4) and that the debate on this topic is “over”.(5)

We feel compelled to issue this statement because the claimed consensus on GMO safety does not exist. The claim that it does exist is misleading and misrepresents the currently available scientific evidence and the broad diversity of opinion among scientists on this issue. Moreover, the claim encourages a climate of complacency that could lead to a lack of regulatory and scientific rigour and appropriate caution, potentially endangering the health of humans, animals, and the environment.

Science and society do not proceed on the basis of a constructed consensus, as current knowledge is always open to well-founded challenge and disagreement. We endorse the need for further independent scientific inquiry and informed public discussion on GM product safety and urge GM proponents to do the same.

Some of our objections to the claim of scientific consensus are listed below.

1. There is no consensus on GM food safety

Regarding the safety of GM crops and foods for human and animal health, a comprehensive review of animal feeding studies of GM crops found “An equilibrium in the number [of] research groups suggesting, on the basis of their studies, that a number of varieties of GM products (mainly maize and soybeans) are as safe and nutritious as the respective conventional non-GM plant, and those raising still serious concerns”. The review also found that most studies concluding that GM foods were as safe and nutritious as those obtained by conventional breeding were “performed by biotechnology companies or associates, which are also responsible [for] commercializing these GM plants”.(6)

A separate review of animal feeding studies that is often cited as showing that GM foods are safe included studies that found significant differences in the GM-fed animals. While the review authors dismissed these findings as not biologically significant,(7) the interpretation of these differences is the subject of continuing scientific debate(8) (9) (10) (11) and no consensus exists on the topic.

Rigorous studies investigating the safety of GM crops and foods would normally involve animal feeding studies in which one group of animals is fed GM food and another group is fed an equivalent non-GM diet. Independent studies of this type are rare, but when such studies have been performed, some have revealed toxic effects or signs of toxicity in the GM-fed animals.(12) (13) (14) (15) (16) (17) The concerns raised by these studies have not been followed up by targeted research that could confirm or refute the initial findings.

The lack of scientific consensus on the safety of GM foods and crops is underlined by the recent research calls of the European Union and the French government to investigate the long-term health impacts of GM food consumption in the light of uncertainties raised by animal feeding studies.(18) (19) These official calls imply recognition of the inadequacy of the relevant existing scientific research protocols. They call into question the claim that existing research can be deemed conclusive and the scientific debate on biosafety closed.


2. There are no epidemiological studies investigating potential effects of GM food consumption on human health

It is often claimed that “trillions of GM meals” have been eaten in the US with no ill effects. However, no epidemiological studies in human populations have been carried out to establish whether there are any health effects associated with GM food consumption. As GM foods are not labelled in North America, a major producer and consumer of GM crops, it is scientifically impossible to trace, let alone study, patterns of consumption and their impacts. Therefore, claims that GM foods are safe for human health based on the experience of North American populations have no scientific basis.


3. Claims that scientific and governmental bodies endorse GMO safety are exaggerated or inaccurate

Claims that there is a consensus among scientific and governmental bodies that GM foods are safe, or that they are no more risky than non-GM foods,(20) (21) are false.

For instance, an expert panel of the Royal Society of Canada issued a report that was highly critical of the regulatory system for GM foods and crops in that country. The report declared that it is “scientifically unjustifiable” to presume that GM foods are safe without rigorous scientific testing and that the “default prediction” for every GM food should be that the introduction of a new gene will cause “unanticipated changes” in the expression of other genes, the pattern of proteins produced, and/or metabolic activities. Possible outcomes of these changes identified in the report included the presence of new or unexpected allergens.(22)

A report by the British Medical Association concluded that with regard to the long-term effects of GM foods on human health and the environment, “many unanswered questions remain” and that “safety concerns cannot, as yet, be dismissed completely on the basis of information currently available”. The report called for more research, especially on potential impacts on human health and the environment.(23)

Moreover, the positions taken by other organizations have frequently been highly qualified, acknowledging data gaps and potential risks, as well as potential benefits, of GM technology. For example, a statement by the American Medical Association’s Council on Science and Public Health acknowledged “a small potential for adverse events … due mainly to horizontal gene transfer, allergenicity, and toxicity” and recommended that the current voluntary notification procedure practised in the US prior to market release of GM crops be made mandatory.(24) It should be noted that even a “small potential for adverse events” may turn out to be significant, given the widespread exposure of human and animal populations to GM crops.

A statement by the board of directors of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) affirming the safety of GM crops and opposing labelling(25) cannot be assumed to represent the view of AAAS members as a whole and was challenged in an open letter by a group of 21 scientists, including many long-standing members of the AAAS.(26) This episode underlined the lack of consensus among scientists about GMO safety.


4. EU research project does not provide reliable evidence of GM food safety

An EU research project(27) has been cited internationally as providing evidence for GM crop and food safety. However, the report based on this project, “A Decade of EU-Funded GMO Research”, presents no data that could provide such evidence, from long-term feeding studies in animals.

Indeed, the project was not designed to test the safety of any single GM food, but to focus on “the development of safety assessment approaches”.(28) Only five published animal feeding studies are referenced in the SAFOTEST section of the report, which is dedicated to GM food safety.(29) None of these studies tested a commercialised GM food; none tested the GM food for long-term effects beyond the subchronic period of 90 days; all found differences in the GM-fed animals, which in some cases were statistically significant; and none concluded on the safety of the GM food tested, let alone on the safety of GM foods in general. Therefore the EU research project provides no evidence for sweeping claims about the safety of any single GM food or of GM crops in general.


5. List of several hundred studies does not show GM food safety

A frequently cited claim published on an Internet website that several hundred studies “document the general safety and nutritional wholesomeness of GM foods and feeds”(30) is misleading. Examination of the studies listed reveals that many do not provide evidence of GM food safety and, in fact, some provide evidence of a lack of safety. For example:

Many of the studies are not toxicological animal feeding studies of the type that can provide useful information about health effects of GM food consumption. The list includes animal production studies that examine parameters of interest to the food and agriculture industry, such as milk yield and weight gain; (31) (32) studies on environmental effects of GM crops; and analytical studies of the composition or genetic makeup of the crop.

Among the animal feeding studies and reviews of such studies in the list, a substantial number found toxic effects and signs of toxicity in GM-fed animals compared with controls.(33) (34) (35) (36) (37) (38) Concerns raised by these studies have not been satisfactorily addressed and the claim that the body of research shows a consensus over the safety of GM crops and foods is false and irresponsible.

Many of the studies were conducted over short periods compared with the animal’s total lifespan and cannot detect long-term health effects.(39) (40)

We conclude that these studies, taken as a whole, are misrepresented on the Internet website as they do not “document the general safety and nutritional wholesomeness of GM foods and feeds”. Rather, some of the studies give serious cause for concern and should be followed up by more detailed investigations over an extended period of time.


6. There is no consensus on the environmental risks of GM crops

Environmental risks posed by GM crops include the effects of Bt insecticidal crops on non-target organisms and effects of the herbicides used in tandem with herbicide-tolerant GM crops.

As with GM food safety, no scientific consensus exists regarding the environmental risks of GM crops. A review of environmental risk assessment approaches for GM crops identified shortcomings in the procedures used and found “no consensus” globally on the methodologies that should be applied, let alone on standardized testing procedures.(41)

Some reviews of the published data on Bt crops have found that they can have adverse effects on non-target and beneficial organisms(42) (43) (44) (45) – effects that are widely neglected in regulatory assessments and by some scientific commentators. Resistance to Bt toxins has emerged in target pests,(46) and problems with secondary (non-target) pests have been noted, for example, in Bt cotton in China.(47) (48)

Herbicide-tolerant GM crops have proved equally controversial. Some reviews and individual studies have associated them with increased herbicide use,(49) (50) the rapid spread of herbicide-resistant weeds,(51) and adverse health effects in human and animal populations exposed to Roundup, the herbicide used on the majority of GM crops.(52) (53) (54)

As with GM food safety, disagreement among scientists on the environmental risks of GM crops may be correlated with funding sources. A peer-reviewed survey of the views of 62 life scientists on the environmental risks of GM crops found that funding and disciplinary training had a significant effect on attitudes. Scientists with industry funding and/or those trained in molecular biology were very likely to have a positive attitude to GM crops and to hold that they do not represent any unique risks, while publicly-funded scientists working independently of GM crop developer companies and/or those trained in ecology were more likely to hold a “moderately negative” attitude to GM crop safety and to emphasize the uncertainty and ignorance involved. The review authors concluded, “The strong effects of training and funding might justify certain institutional changes concerning how we organize science and how we make public decisions when new technologies are to be evaluated.”(55)


7. International agreements show widespread recognition of risks posed by GM foods and crops

The Cartagena Protocol on Biosafety was negotiated over many years and implemented in 2003. The Cartagena Protocol is an international agreement ratified by 166 governments worldwide that seeks to protect biological diversity from the risks posed by GM technology. It embodies the Precautionary Principle in that it allows signatory states to take precautionary measures to protect themselves against threats of damage from GM crops and foods, even in case of a lack of scientific certainty.(56)

Another international body, the UN's Codex Alimentarius, worked with scientific experts for seven years to develop international guidelines for the assessment of GM foods and crops, because of concerns about the risks they pose. These guidelines were adopted by the Codex Alimentarius Commission, of which over 160 nations are members, including major GM crop producers such as the United States.(57)

The Cartagena Protocol and Codex share a precautionary approach to GM crops and foods, in that they agree that genetic engineering differs from conventional breeding and that safety assessments should be required before GM organisms are used in food or released into the environment.

These agreements would never have been negotiated, and the implementation processes elaborating how such safety assessments should be conducted would not currently be happening, without widespread international recognition of the risks posed by GM crops and foods and the unresolved state of existing scientific understanding.

Concerns about risks are well-founded, as has been demonstrated by studies on some GM crops and foods that have shown adverse effects on animal health and non-target organisms, indicated above. Many of these studies have, in fact, fed into the negotiation and/or implementation processes of the Cartagena Protocol and Codex. We support the application of the Precautionary Principle with regard to the release and transboundary movement of GM crops and foods.


Conclusion

In the scope of this document, we can only highlight a few examples to illustrate that the totality of scientific research outcomes in the field of GM crop safety is nuanced, complex, often contradictory or inconclusive, confounded by researchers’ choices, assumptions, and funding sources, and in general, has raised more questions than it has currently answered.

Whether to continue and expand the introduction of GM crops and foods into the human food and animal feed supply, and whether the identified risks are acceptable or not, are decisions that involve socioeconomic considerations beyond the scope of a narrow scientific debate and the currently unresolved biosafety research agendas. These decisions must therefore involve the broader society. They should, however, be supported by strong scientific evidence on the long-term safety of GM crops and foods for human and animal health and the environment, obtained in a manner that is honest, ethical, rigorous, independent, transparent, and sufficiently diversified to compensate for bias.

Decisions on the future of our food and agriculture should not be based on misleading and misrepresentative claims that a “scientific consensus” exists on GMO safety.

REFERENCES (please see link)


HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
27. The OP already debunked all this BS.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 02:50 PM
Oct 2013

So do 2000 studies, and several scientific reviews.

Stop spamming with BS. This is not a forum for you. This is forum where you have to know what you're talking about. Move along.

EvolveOrConvolve

(6,452 posts)
28. My god, more diarrhea
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 06:54 PM
Oct 2013

Just stop - posting agreements by politicians isn't the same thing as science, and it never will be. And a hint: posting polemics by anti-GMO partisans isn't helping your case.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
31. Check it out. DISCLAIMER: Recognized experts, although I have no familiarity with Robbins or event.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:35 PM
Oct 2013

Join the "GMO Mini-Summit" live FREE here... http://ow.ly/qcsl1

Shortly after each interview completes, a free replay of that interview will become active for the next 24 hours. Replay controls will appear next to each interview description during the hours that they are active. Digital transcripts and audio also available for purchase.

NOW - Thierry Vrain, Ph.D – The Former Pro GMO Scientist Speaks Out


In his 35 years as a leading research scientist for the Canadian government, Dr. Thierry Vrain was paid to reassure the public that genetically engineered foods were safe to eat. But now, this insider will lift the veil and expose the truth that Monsanto doesn’t want you to know.

As the former head of biotechnology at Agriculture Canada’s Summerland Research Station, Thierry knows the science of GMOs inside and out… And he’s sounding the alarm.

Get Thierry’s thoughtful, credible, and deeply informed take on the real health and environmental impact of genetically engineered foods. This is a presentation you’ll want to share with everyone you know.


[center]October 27: The big picture[/center]

Ken Cook – Sustainable Agriculture for a Hungry World

Ken Cook is president and co-founder of the 1.3 million-member Environmental Working Group (EWG). He is one of the environmental community’s most prominent and effective experts on chemicals, pesticides, and U.S. farm and food policy. Ken’s work helped to catalyze the landmark Food Quality Protection Act that required the EPA to consider the dietary risks of pesticides on children’s health. EWG researchers later discovered hundreds of industrial chemicals in umbilical cord blood.

By proving that contamination began in the womb, they changed the debate over chemical exposures. Ken will show you how to protect your family and to take informed action on the issues that matter most to you.


Miguel Altieri, Ph.D — What Is The Environmental Impact of GMOs?

GMOs have been touted as an answer to everything from pesticide use to droughts to topsoil erosion. But are these claims justified? Find out from one of the world’s top experts on sustainable agriculture, Dr. Miguel Aliteri.

Miguel has been a Professor of Agroecology at UC Berkeley for more than three decades, and has served as General Coordinator for the United Nations Development Program’s Sustainable Agriculture Networking and Extension Program. He is author of more than 200 publications and books including Agroecology: The Science of Sustainable Agriculture and Biodiversity. If you care about the planet, and you want the facts about sustainable agriculture, then this is for you.


John & Jeffrey – Protect Your Family and Make a Difference

Join John Robbins and Jeffrey Smith, globally renowned experts and bestselling authors on food, health, and GMOs, for a special hour-long presentation hosted by Ocean Robbins.

They will inspire and galvanize you with the insights and inspiration you need to put all you’ve learned into action for your health and the health of those you love.

This is a rare opportunity to hear these two maverick food movement leaders at the SAME TIME, as they share their experience and top insights.


[center]October 25: Lifting the veil – ON REPLAY[/center]

Andrew Kimbrell – Your Right To Know

Andrew Kimbrell is a leading public interest attorney and the founder and director of The Center for Food Safety. He fights to protect people and the environment from the threats of chemical-dependent industrialized agriculture.

Andrew is often called on to testify before the United States Congress, and his work has been featured in numerous publications and documentaries.

His most recent book is Your Right to Know: Genetic Engineering and the Secret Changes in Your Food. The Guardian recognized Andrew as one of the 50 people who could change the planet. We think he’ll change your life!


Vandana Shiva, Ph.D. – Food Security In A Global Community

Dr. Vandana Shiva is founder of Navdanya (“nine seeds”), a movement of thousands of Indian farmers promoting biodiversity and use of native seeds. Vandana is a recipient of the Right Livelihood Award, often called “The Alternative Nobel Prize”, and the director of the Research Foundation on Science, Technology, and Ecology.

She is author of many bestselling books, including Stolen Harvest: The Hijacking of the Global Food Supply. Forbes named Vandana “one of the 7 most influential feminists in the world,” and Time selected her as an “environmental hero.” Vandana will inform you of the real global impact of GMOs and inspire you to consider the deeper implications of seed patenting and ownership.


Robyn O’Brien – Fighting Food Allergies

Robyn O’Brien was a financial and food industry analyst whose life was turned upside down by her daughters’ sudden allergy-induced illness. Robyn’s love of her kids led her to take an honest look at our food system. What she discovered changed her life forever. She went on to found AllergyKids, and to become one of the most formidable forces in the food movement today.

With her wildly popular TED talks, books, magazine columns, and her online advocacy, Robyn has become what the New York Times called “food’s Erin Brockovich“. What she’s uncovered about food allergies – and GMOs – will rock your world!

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
32. Stop posting pseudoscience on this forum.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 01:24 PM
Oct 2013

You do realize that there is no evidence of GMOs causing allergies, right?

Everything you've posted is debunked by science.

Stop. It's wrong. It's harmful. It's sick.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
33. Please see http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2000-09-03/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-NEW-PROTEINS
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:31 PM
Oct 2013

Best and saddest expert analysis I have encountered on GMOs ever and not a word since. New proteins = potential allergens.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2000-09-03/news/0009030374_1_genetically-modified-new-proteins

"Genetically Altered Foods: We Are Being Exposed to One of the Largest Uncontrolled Experiments in History"

Martha Herbert
Chicago Tribune

September 3, 2000


BOSTON - Today the vast majority of foods in supermarkets contain genetically modified substances whose effects on our health are unknown. As a medical doctor, I can assure you that no one in the medical profession would attempt to perform experiments on human subjects without their consent. Such conduct is illegal and unethical. Yet manufacturers of genetically altered foods are exposing us to one of the largest uncontrolled experiments in modern history.

In less than five years these companies have flooded the marketplace with thousands of untested and unlabeled products containing foreign genetic material. These genetically modified foods pose several very real dangers because they have been engineered to create novel proteins that retard spoilage, produce their own pesticides against insects, or allow plants to tolerate larger and larger doses of weed killers. Despite claims that these food products are based on "sound science," in truth, neither manufacturers nor the government has studied the effects of these genetically altered organisms or their new proteins on people-especially babies, the elderly, and the sick. Can these products be toxic? Can they cause immune system problems? Can they damage an infant's developing nervous system? We need answers to these questions, and until then genetically altered ingredients should be removed from the food we eat.

As a pediatric neurologist, I especially worry about the safety of modified foods when it comes to children. We know that the human immune system, for example, is not fully developed in infants. Consequently, pediatricians have long been concerned about early introduction of new proteins into the immature gut and developing body of small children. Infants with colic are often switched to soy formula. Yet we have no information on how they might be affected by drinking genetically engineered soy, even though this product may be their sole or major source of nutrition for months. Because these foods are unlabeled, most parents feed their babies genetically altered formula whether they want to or not. Even proteins that are normally part of the human diet may, when introduced too early, lead to auto-immune and hypersensitivity or "allergic" reactions later.

Some studies suggest that the epidemic increase in asthma (it has doubled since 1980) may have links to early dietary exposures. The behavior problems of many children with autism and attention disorders get worse when they are exposed to certain foods. Yet as more unlabeled and untested genetically engineered foods enter the market, there is no one monitoring how the millions of people with immune system vulnerability are reacting to them and the novel proteins and fragments of viruses they can contain. In fact, without labeling, there is no possible way to track such health effects. This is not sound science, and it is not sound public health.

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More at link.


So, "...no evidence of GMOs causing allergies." Doubtful, however, assuming that's accurate, perhaps

...because there exists a virtual monopoly on "the technology itself."
...because these companies thwarts science by denying independent scientists permission to test their patent-protected "technology."
...because these companies destroy careers of both scientists and farmers, and threaten legal action against states seeking to provide their citizens with labeling.

You are aware that blanket approval of "the technology itself" when introduced was opposed by the majority of FDA scientists who were then overruled by nonscientist revolving-door government regulators and politicians.


MORE: http://fooddemocracynow.org/blog/2012/may/29/dan_quayle_and_michael_taylors_nightmare_lives_on/

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
36. More bad propaganda.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 07:58 PM
Oct 2013

No, there is no actual evidence that GMOs cause allergies. The consensus is vast.

Stop pretending. Why do you like being wrong all the time?

Anti-GMO writers show profound ignorance of basic biology and now Jane Goodall has joined their ranks
ttp://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2013/03/29/anti-gmo-writers-show-profound-ignorance-of-basic-biology-and-now-jane-goodall-has-joined-their-ranks/

More bad science in the service of anti-GMO activism
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/once-more-bad-science-in-the-service-of-anti-gmo-activism/

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
34. Don't miss this.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:43 PM
Oct 2013
http://www.elle.com/news/culture/gmo-food-debate

Let's Discuss (Again): The GMO Food Debate
ELLE, August 9 2013


Because the issue of the safety of genetic modified food is such a deeply contentious one, when ELLE published Caitlin Shetterly’s story "Bad Seed," we expected that some might object that it unfairly maligned GMOs. And Jon Entine, the author of Scared to Death: How Chemophobia Threatens Public Health, has done that in Slate.

In our piece, Shetterly recounts how she and her allergist came to believe that genetically altered corn was the probable cause of the debilitating, allergic illness that afflicted her, one marked by a profusion of a kind of white blood cells called eosinophils. Her point of view was clear, but at the same time she—and ELLE—were committed to airing both sides of the GMO debate.

Entine, however, ignored passages in the piece that didn’t fit his thesis that so-called “lifestyle magazines” like ELLE “credulously stoke conspiratorial fears” about GMOs. For example, Shetterly included the perspective of Amal Assa’ad, MD, a professor at the University of Cincinnati medical school, who dismisses Shetterly’s anxiety over GMO’s safety “as almost magical thinking.” The story continues: “What’s wrong with chemicals?” [Assa’ad] asked. “We’re so afraid of chemicals because they are man-made, right? A lot of chemicals have helped us—a lot of medications are chemicals.” If anything, GMO foods have been a boon to mankind, Assa’ad said. GMO seeds “produce better crops that have increased production, that are resistant to pesticides—crops that can feed the rest of the world.”

Entine also communicated with Shetterly’s sources, some of whom took issue with how their opinions were portrayed. After reviewing the work of Shetterly and ELLE’s fact-checker, who examined the transcripts of interviews with each source and/or confirmed their statements via email or by phone—we stand by our story.

<>

In the course of reporting the piece, Shetterly spoke with a number of researchers and medical professionals who told her they couldn’t go on the record about their doubts about GMOs because they feared being sued by a biotech or agriculture company, or losing grant money provided by the private sector. Von Tiehl, who also told Entine that ELLE’s article wrongly suggested that he thinks “there is something scary or obviously wrong or concerning about GMO foods”, was one of those who worried about his legal exposure.

<>

Here is an excerpt from the taped, transcribed interview between Shetterly and von Tiehl:

CS: Do you read labels and see all those hidden places where GMO corn is like xanthan gum, citric acid, ascorbic acid, natural flavorings? [GMO corn is used to make all those substances.] Would you not buy those things?

KVT: I can’t answer that question for legal reasons.

CS: Really?...

KVT: I can’t tell you how I have personally changed my diet.

CS: Because you’re afraid of being sued?

KVT: Because I’m afraid of being sued by big agribusiness.


More.


MORE:
http://www.elle.com/beauty/health-fitness/healthy-eating-avoid-gmo-corn
http://gmwatch.org/index.php/news/archive/2013/14956-elle-hits-back-at-entine-over-bad-seed
http://gmwatch.org/index.php/news/archive/2013/14800

EvolveOrConvolve

(6,452 posts)
35. Ah, I see you've posted from the highly respected science magazine Elle
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 07:55 PM
Oct 2013

And backed it up with links to an anti-GMO site referencing the Elle article.

Convincing...

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
38. Go figure. Your source cynically parses words or is woefully uninformed.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 10:37 PM
Oct 2013
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonentine/2013/08/14/elle-magazines-bungled-gmo-controversy-deepens/

Jon Entine: Elle Magazine's Bungled GMO Reporting Controversy Deepens

...As I documented in Slate, from a scientific perspective, the belief that she suffered crippling eosinophilic esophagitis as a result of ingesting GM food is complete nonsense. Since GMOs were introduced into the food supply, there has not been one documented case of any health problem in humans—not even so much as a sniffle—linked to approved GMO foods...


http://www.gene.ch/gentech/1997/8.96-5.97/msg00243.html

USA Today Article, March 6, 1997 Page A-13, Genetically , Altered Food: BuyerBeware

...The risks are not hypothetical. Any unbiased scientist
familiar with the technology will admit that genetic
engineering can give rise to unanticipated allergens
and toxins. Already we have seen this scenario in action.
In 1989, a dietary supplement, L-tryptophan, caused
37 U.S. deaths and 1,511 nonfatal cases of a disease
called eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome (EMS). The Centers for
Disease Control linked these cases to tryptophan manufactured
using genetically engineered bacteria.
A study published
in Science in 1990 confirmed that the tryptophan was
contaminated with a toxic "novel amino acid" not present in
tryptophan produced by other methods.

<>

Dr. John B. Fagan is a molecular biologist who has
conducted research using recombinant DNA techniques.


More: http://www.psrast.org/jftrypt.htm

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
39. I offered MULTIPLE SOURCES!!!!!
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 12:00 AM
Oct 2013

All of which showed the basic science that makes your "allergy" argument nothing but ugly, wrongheaded BS.

What do you have against humans?

Seriously.

muriel_volestrangler

(102,457 posts)
40. "This is not a hit piece on Michael Pollan" - I'd hate to read what the author does consider
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 06:14 PM
Oct 2013

a hit piece, then. That would consist of denouncing the subject as a mass murderer or something, I suppose.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
42. FYI, I just saw this.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 12:49 PM
Nov 2013
http://www.independentsciencenews.org/news/can-the-scientific-reputation-of-pamela-ronald-public-face-of-gmos-be-salvaged/

A series of embarrassing retractions have damaged the scientific credibility of the US media's GM-apologist of choice.

Can the Scientific Reputation of Pamela Ronald, Public Face of GMOs, Be Salvaged?
Jonathan Latham
Independent Science News, 12 November 2013


Synopsis: When a quotable university expert is needed to speak on behalf of crop biotechnology, Pamela Ronald is the US media's professor of choice. Her credibility as a scientific pro-GMO expert derives from her long-term research into diseases of rice at the University of California, Davis. But Pamela Ronald's research career is coming to resemble a liability. In the past year the laboratory Ronald heads has publicly retracted two original scientific papers. These publications (including one from Science) formed the core of her plant disease research . At the same time, German researchers have publicly raised substantive questions about a third Ronald publication.

Presumably because her scientific reputation is highly valuable to the biotech industry, a coordinated media campaign is underway to rescue it. Pamela Ronald and the campaign blame now-departed lab members from Thailand and Korea for the lab's errors and Ronald is praised for initiating the retractions. The truth, however, is not so simple, and raises still further questions about the scientific validity of Pamela Ronald's research.

Full text:

Professor Pamela Ronald is probably the scientist most widely known for publicly defending genetically engineered (GE or GMO) crops. Her media persona, familiar to readers of the Boston Globe, the Wall Street Journal, the Economist, NPR, and many other global media outlets, is to take no prisoners.

After New York Times chief food writer Mark Bittman advocated GMO labelling, she called him “a scourge on science” who “couches his nutty views in reasonable-sounding verbiage”. His opinions were “almost fact and science-free” continued Ronald. In 2011 she claimed in an interview with the US Ambassador to New Zealand: “After 14 years of cultivation and a cumulative total of two billion acres planted, GE crops have not caused a single instance of harm to human health or the environment.”

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The first paper was retracted on January 29th 2013, from the journal PLoS One (Han et al 2011). News of the retraction was (belatedly) published on the 11th of September 2013 by the blog Retraction Watch under the headline: "Doing the right thing: Researchers retract quorum sensing paper after public process".[2]

The second retraction, from Science, was officially announced a month later, on October 11th 2013 (Lee et al 2009). This time, retraction was accompanied by a lengthy explanation (Anatomy of a Retraction, by Pamela Ronald) in the official blog of Scientific American. In this article, Ronald blamed the work of unnamed former lab members from Korea and Thailand. Retraction Watch reported the retraction, this time the same day, as: "Pamela Ronald does the right thing again'. Also on the same day, "The Scientist" magazine quoted Pamela Ronald saying it was “just a mix-up” and repeating her claim that “Former lab members who had begun new positions as professors in Korea and Thailand were devastated to learn that [we] could not repeat their work”.

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Link from: http://www.gmwatch.org/index.php/news/archive/2013/15160-can-the-scientific-reputation-of-pamela-ronald-be-salvaged

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
43. Both classic crank anti-GMO sources.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 03:53 PM
Nov 2013

It's the same with everything you offer. It's all the worst possible Internet BS around.

It's funny to see you push this nonsense, though, since it's the same kind of ugly fiction-based attack used by your other favorite, Age of Autism.

Critical thinking is a skill worth learning.

You do realize that you are only hurting your fellow humans by pushing such ugly lies over and over and over again, right?

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
47. More reading for you here.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 05:09 PM
Jan 2014
"It's not just that Americans are getting sicker. It's that young Americans are getting sicker."

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/12/living-sick-and-dying-young-in-rich-america/282495/

Living Sick and Dying Young in Rich America
Chronic illness is the new first-world problem.

LEAH SOTTILE
DEC 19 2013, 9:01 AM ET


We were standing at Target in an aisle we’d never walked down before, looking at things we didn’t understand. Pill splitters, multivitamins, supplements, and the thing we were here to buy: a long blue pill box—the kind with seven little doors labeled “S M T W T F S “ for each day of the week, the kind that old people cram their pills into when they have too many to remember what they’ve already taken.

My husband, Joe Preston, shook his head. “Do I really need this?”

I grabbed it off the shelf and threw it in our basket. And when we got home, Joe—then a fit and fairly spry 30-year-old man with a boss-level beard—stood at the kitchen counter, dropping each of his prescriptions with a plink into the container.

I guess it’s true that life is full of surprises, but for the three years since Joe’s crippling pain was diagnosed as the result of an autoimmune disease called Ankylosing Spondylitis, our life has been full of surprises like this one. Pill boxes, trips to the emergency room, early returns from vacation. Terms like “flare-up” have dropped into our vocabulary. We’ve sat in waiting rooms where Joe was the only person without a walker or a cane. Most of our tears have been over the fact that these aren’t the kind of surprises either of us thought we’d be encountering at such a young age.

But here’s the thing: We recently realized we weren’t alone. Almost all of our friends are sick, too. When we met our friend Missy Narrance, Joe found solace in talking to her about his health. She’s 29 and has been battling lupus and fibromyalgia for the past 10 years. She’s been through chemotherapy twice, and her daily symptoms are so extreme that she was granted federal disability status when she was just 23 years old. In our close group of friends—who range from 25 to 35 years old—we know people with everything from tumors to chronic pain. Sometimes our conversations over beers on a Friday night turn to discussions of long-term care and miscommunication between doctors.

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More: http://www.democraticunderground.com/101681585


http://www.gmwatch.org/latest-listing/1-news-items/11801-pusztai-to-receive-stuttgart-peace-prize

Dr Pusztai on the 10th anniversary of GM safety scandal

The following is an email - of 10 August 2008 from Dr Pusztai to Claire Robinson and Jonathan Matthews of GMWatch, in which Dr Pusztai comments on the 10th anniversary of the television interview
.

Dear Claire and Jonathan,

I thought that I should write to you on the 10th anniversary of my 150 seconds of TV "fame" and tell you what I think now. It is very appropriate to write to you because you have provided the most comprehensive service to inform people about the shenanigans of the GM biotechnology industry and its advocates.

On this anniversary I have to admit that, unfortunately, not much has changed since 1998. In one of the few sentences I said in my broadcast ten years ago, I asked for a credible GM testing protocol to be established that would be acceptable to the majority of scientists and to people in general. 10 years on we still haven't got one. Instead, in Europe we have an unelected EFSA GMO Panel with no clear responsibility to European consumers, which invariably underwrites the safety of whatever product the GM biotech industry is pushing onto us.

All of us asked for independent, transparent and inclusive research into the safety of GM plants, and particularly those used in foods. There is not much sign of this either. There are still "many opinions but very few data"; less than three dozen peer-reviewed scientific papers have been published describing the results of work relating to GM safety that could actually be regarded as being of an academic standard; and the majority of even these is from industry-supported labs. Instead we have the likes of Tony Trewavas and others writing unsupported claims for the safety of GM food and defaming people like Rachel Carson who can no longer defend herself; not that she needs to be defended from such nonentities.

In normal times one would not pay much attention to such people desperately trying to be seen as the advocates of true science, but these are not normal times. The mostly engineered (GM engineered) food crisis gives the GM biotech industry and its warriors an opportunity to come to the fore with claims that GM is the only way to save a hungry world; a claim not much supported by responsible bodies, such as the IAASTD. The advocates of GM also now think that they have found a chink in the armory of people's resolve that they can exploit by telling us that we would not be able to feed our animals without GM feedstuffs. In this way, they hope to bring in GM by the backdoor. Please remember that whatever our animals eat, we shall also get back indirectly. Rather ominously, there has been no work whatever to show the safety of the meat of GM-fed animals.

We must not underestimate the financial and political clout of the GM biotechnology industry. Most of our politicians are committed to the successful introduction of GM foods. We must therefore use all means at our disposal to show people the shallowness of these claims by the industry and the lack of credible science behind them, and then trust to people's good sense, just as in 1998, to see through the falseness of the claims for the safety of untested GM foods.

Let's hope that on the 20th anniversary I shall not have to write another warning letter about the dangers of untested GM foods!

Best wishes to all
Arpad Pusztai


More: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024130570


http://najms.net/wp-content/uploads/v06i03.pdf#page=34

...The final commentary was written by Dr. Herbert, who presents her paper entitled “Everyday Epigenetics from Molecular Intervention to Public Health and Lifestyle Medicine.” She asserts that it may well take a grass roots epigenetic/lifestyle medicine revolution to avert the worsening health trends we are facing in the setting of a progressively more toxic and endangered planet. She posits that everyday epigenetics can inform science of what is possible so that society can respond on an appropriate scale to the magnitude of the crisis we are facing.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
49. If that's your understanding, may I suggest due diligence necessitates additional reading?
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 09:18 PM
Jan 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014619807
Command F: AOA

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014665994
ENTIRE THREAD: Autism may be linked to gastrointestinal issues, Caltech study says

The 'crank' caricature described doesn't match reality, fortunately.



HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
51. Re-reading BS isn't going to change anything.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 03:12 PM
Jan 2014

If you weren't so stuck in your bizarre belief system, you would know that.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
44. A Generous Offer to Dr. Huber -Turned Down
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 06:10 PM
Nov 2013
http://kfolta.blogspot.com/2013/11/a-generous-offer-to-dr-huber.html

"...

"I offer to sequence the genome of the pathogen and identify what it is," I said. "If Dr. Huber could kindly give me a small amount of the culture we could identify this new life form before Christmas."

I'm not bluffing here. We could do that. I could pay to have the libraries made and get several lanes of Illumina sequencing done in a few weeks. We'd get several hundred million 'reads' (small bits of data) that could be computationally assembled into a whole genome of his novel organism, if it actually existed. If it was real, we could have 300-fold coverage of its sequence. Completely do-able, and I'd pay for it.

"So can you send me cultures?" I asked.

What do you think his answer was? After a ten minute talk about the organism and how it is killing cattle and causing problems he said he would not send it.

I said, "Don, you say this is a crisis, that a new pathogen is causing disease in humans and plants, and you won't release it to the broader scientific community for eight years?"

..."
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