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CTyankee

(65,005 posts)
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 11:04 AM Sep 2021

over the counter kitchen light just won't work...

the bulb had burned out (or just didn't work) a week or so ago and I went to the hardware store for a replacement. The light still did not work. Our handyman tested the electricity in the fixture. It works. But now the replacement doesn't work (the other two in the kitchen do work).

Yes, the switch was on.

Any electricians out there know what might be wrong?

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over the counter kitchen light just won't work... (Original Post) CTyankee Sep 2021 OP
Is it a fluorescent bulb? Gaugamela Sep 2021 #1
Yes. And the other two work just fine. CTyankee Sep 2021 #2
I just edited my response above to include more information. Each fixture has it's own Gaugamela Sep 2021 #3
If it's a screw in starter (older fixtures have these), it's a few dollars getagrip_already Sep 2021 #9
It's hard to say, but I would expect something like $150 to $200. Gaugamela Sep 2021 #4
That's what I'd check first. OAITW r.2.0 Sep 2021 #11
Sounds like the 3 lights are wired in parallel. OAITW r.2.0 Sep 2021 #5
where would such a "junction box" be located? We have a prewar colonial, built right before WW2. CTyankee Sep 2021 #7
Well, that could be the tricky part. typically, a junction box would be close to OAITW r.2.0 Sep 2021 #10
where is the ballast? CTyankee Sep 2021 #12
Yes, our handyman tested the fixture and showed us there is electrical power there. CTyankee Sep 2021 #13
If a multi-tester is showing power, then I think it has to be the bulb or ballast. OAITW r.2.0 Sep 2021 #14
OK, but what do I do with it then? CTyankee Sep 2021 #15
I'd go to Lowes/Home Depot first. If they don't have you can order from your local HW store OAITW r.2.0 Sep 2021 #16
Thanks. We are getting an electrician. Do you know what approximately it would cost for an CTyankee Sep 2021 #18
There is also a remote chance the replacement bulb is a dud. You could test it in one Gaugamela Sep 2021 #6
Yes, I thought of that. The hardware store gave me another one. Two bulbs from the store are duds? CTyankee Sep 2021 #8
Let me also suggest,,,, OAITW r.2.0 Sep 2021 #17
I do know they come in warm bulbs too. I think that's what we have now in the other two lights. CTyankee Sep 2021 #19
I'd love to see the light application now. OAITW r.2.0 Sep 2021 #20
I wish I could, too. It is beyond my present capabilities (I'm old). CTyankee Sep 2021 #21
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Gaugamela

(2,657 posts)
1. Is it a fluorescent bulb?
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 11:07 AM
Sep 2021

If it’s fluorescent then it’s possible the ballast is burnt out, and needs to be replaced. Otherwise there is a worn out connection in the wiring to the bulb socket. If that’s the case it’s probably best to replace the whole fixture. You may need an electrician to do that. If the handyman can’t troubleshoot the problem then he’s probably not qualified to fix it.

CTyankee

(65,005 posts)
2. Yes. And the other two work just fine.
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 11:22 AM
Sep 2021

I told the handyman this and he recommended that I get an electrician but couldn't give me the name of one.

I'll go to our local hardware store where I get things like that bulb and ask them if they have a list of qualified electricians.

Do you know how much, ball park estimate, that it would cost to do this?

Gaugamela

(2,657 posts)
3. I just edited my response above to include more information. Each fixture has it's own
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 11:28 AM
Sep 2021

ballast. My first guess is that’s the problem, but you’ll probably need an electrician to fix it. If you’re renting then the landlord should fix it.

getagrip_already

(17,425 posts)
9. If it's a screw in starter (older fixtures have these), it's a few dollars
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 12:14 PM
Sep 2021

And you can replace it easily. It will look like a metal cylander, probably unpainted aluminum.

The just pop out if you push in and turn them. No chance ot getting shocked handling them.

Internal ballasts aren't worth replacing. You can buy a new fixture and bulb for less than it would cost to repair.

https://www.amazon.com/Power-Gear-Fluorescent-Standard-54388/dp/B008DB3EHO/ref=pd_lpo_1?pd_rd_i=B008DB3EHO&psc=1

OAITW r.2.0

(28,340 posts)
11. That's what I'd check first.
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 12:30 PM
Sep 2021

Swap the ballasts (1 possible bad and either one of the working lights). If the problem follows the ballast, then the easy solution is replacing the ballast. If it doesn't, then the problem is the fixture or wiring connections to this problem light.

OAITW r.2.0

(28,340 posts)
5. Sounds like the 3 lights are wired in parallel.
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 11:54 AM
Sep 2021

Might want to have the junction box that supplies power to the 3 lights checked to see if one of the circuits has a loose connection. Or the actual non-working fixture/ballast is defective.

CTyankee

(65,005 posts)
7. where would such a "junction box" be located? We have a prewar colonial, built right before WW2.
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 12:01 PM
Sep 2021

We had to upgrade everything. I didn't know what a fuse was until then. That was a long time ago so I don't remember the contractor who did it. It's a great house, with good bones, but did we ever have to upgrade! The windows were the old rope and pulley type and the rope was so old it would break and we'd have to keep the window up with a brick. We also got central air and better heating system.

OAITW r.2.0

(28,340 posts)
10. Well, that could be the tricky part. typically, a junction box would be close to
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 12:16 PM
Sep 2021

the actual lights. The box takes the power side wiring and allows (in your case) separate wiring to each fixture. It probably is located in the ceiling. If you have sheetrock, then you'd have to remove it to get to the junction box.

First, I'd check the fixture - a multi-tester can tell if the fixture is getting power. Assuming no power there, check the wire leads feeding the fixture. If power there, the fixture is bad. If no power on these feed wires....then you need to locate the junction box to fix.

You say that this is a florescent light....if so, check the ballast....the ballast can be easily removed and probably replaced to see if you then get power to the fixture.

CTyankee

(65,005 posts)
13. Yes, our handyman tested the fixture and showed us there is electrical power there.
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 01:25 PM
Sep 2021

The junction box is not visible so it could be in the ceiling? Or perhaps in the basement?

OAITW r.2.0

(28,340 posts)
14. If a multi-tester is showing power, then I think it has to be the bulb or ballast.
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 01:58 PM
Sep 2021

Honestly, though, I am not sure how the multi-tester interprets the voltage signal after the ballast. Could be getting some power, but is the voltage high enough to turn the bulb on? The ballast regulates the current (allows enough voltage to start the bulb, but then reduced the voltage so as not to burn the bulb out., so I think you'd need an ammeter to test what the current to bulb is.

I would think you need to check the ballast. Typically, it's located at one end of the fixture...it is like a small cylinder that you push and twist to remove.

CTyankee

(65,005 posts)
15. OK, but what do I do with it then?
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 08:13 PM
Sep 2021

and there are two other lights just like this one (different length size, tho) and changing bulbs is simple. This one was, too. So I know it is a malfunction of just this one fixture.

OAITW r.2.0

(28,340 posts)
16. I'd go to Lowes/Home Depot first. If they don't have you can order from your local HW store
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 08:18 PM
Sep 2021

or order online. specs off the ballast should get you to the right church and pew.

CTyankee

(65,005 posts)
18. Thanks. We are getting an electrician. Do you know what approximately it would cost for an
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 08:25 PM
Sep 2021

electrician to put one in? I don't want to pin you down but this doesn't sound like it's too much of a job.

We can certainly afford it, but what should it cost approximately for the complete job? I realize that after the electrician's diagnosis he'll have to go to the hardware store to buy one. Or maybe they come prepared for this? I mean, this sounds like a very easy problem to resolve. Or am I wrong about that?

Gaugamela

(2,657 posts)
6. There is also a remote chance the replacement bulb is a dud. You could test it in one
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 11:58 AM
Sep 2021

of the other fixtures.

CTyankee

(65,005 posts)
8. Yes, I thought of that. The hardware store gave me another one. Two bulbs from the store are duds?
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 12:04 PM
Sep 2021

We don't have another fixture of that length to test it out. But if two brand new bulbs don't work the odds would be against it that there are 2 brand new bulbs that are duds.

OAITW r.2.0

(28,340 posts)
17. Let me also suggest,,,,
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 08:22 PM
Sep 2021

Get rid of the Floursent bulbs and go with warm kelvin LEDs....you can dim them, too. And draw very little energy. Warm vs. cold, no brainer for a Yankee.

CTyankee

(65,005 posts)
19. I do know they come in warm bulbs too. I think that's what we have now in the other two lights.
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 08:29 PM
Sep 2021

So to avoid having to change out two perfectly good bulbs for the sake of bright we'll keep them for now. As we get older, tho, I see the wisdom of brighter lights in the kitchen. Maybe we'll do that once we get this one fixed.

OAITW r.2.0

(28,340 posts)
20. I'd love to see the light application now.
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 08:46 PM
Sep 2021

Wish you could link to a pic upload site / link on DU.


Depending on your application, you may visually benefit with warmer lighting than florescent cold kelvin lighting...it really is transformative in a living space. And one power lead from an existing light can power your new lighting easily. Cap off and tape the power leads/neutrals to the other 2 lights. fairly cheap, easy to install, enjoy the lighting change.

CTyankee

(65,005 posts)
21. I wish I could, too. It is beyond my present capabilities (I'm old).
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 01:14 PM
Sep 2021

My kids think I am hopeless. But I am engrossed in writing a book and taking care of my husband who has some disabilities. But I do thank you for your help! You have been most kind.

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