Do me a favor

[BainsBane]

Vote in this poll, if you haven't already.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023036569

[billh58]

1. Done.

K&R.

[ceonupe]

2. I did but you may not like my answer....

I am personally for stronger background checks
But I am from the south a place where May issue laws deprived minorities of equal access. I believe if you meet the requirements the state/local city should not be able to subjectively decided who can or can't get the privilege to concealed carry (note i said privilege to CCW its not a right, yes you do have a right to keep and bar arms and I believe that right extends to open carry and or locked transport but CCW is a privilege)

In NC for example our handgun permit process was designed to allow local sheriffs to totally decide who can buy a handgun.

Again if a person is:
Non prohibited person
Passed training and legal test
Passes background test

they should be granted a CCW. They should not have to list a reason of be subject to the lack of due process subjective and arbitrary process of sheriff/police chief deciding.

You can set the places where CCW is permitted thru the legislature like almost every state has. For example in my state courthouses, inside schools, athletic fields, events that charge admission (movies, skating ring ect...however their are some exceptions).

Always remember Reagan became a gun control advocate in direct response not to crime and violence or innocent children no because the black panther party.

And also remember DiFi did not become one until the hedge fund shooting. she proudly carried a revolver. the shooting of her political friend was done by a police(fmr) man not a regular civilian. But CA law still has all kinds of exemptions for forme police and police for personal guns including letting them bypass CA strict approved handguns list.


Now for real solutions to gun violence we have to look to the root causes. The root cause for the majority of urban mothers are mostly cultural. I know its not PC Im a young black male myself but it true.

The culture that celebrates ghettoness, violence, gang life, has the most broken families, some of the highest poverty and unemployment, under perform academically.......... Young black males disportionately make up the numbers of those injured and killed in "gun violence" as well as the perpetrators.

The thing is the Man in the white house right now My President Barack Obama has a platform to dramatically shift this culture. Talking to grads at Morehouse (historically Black all male private college in Atlanta) is good but the people that needed that message weren't the distinguished graduates but rather the children in grade school at juvenile hall and jail/prison. I hope in the presidents last term he does the most un PC thing possible and appoints a task force to focus on solutions for Young black males. Heck even to be pc lets call it urban issues (crime, poverty, broken families, education)

showing young black men an alternative path the the street/drugs/gangs and helping them aviod that with positive options and programs designed to engage them. that would save so many lives.

[BainsBane]

3. vote how you like in the poll

But this group is for people who support more aggressive gun control. You may not fit the criteria for participating in this group.

Check out the SOP of the group:

The Gun Control Reform Activism group is intended to:
Discuss how to enact progressive gun control reform in a supportive environment. The group serves as a safe haven in which to mobilize supporters in support of measures reducing gun violence by changing laws, culture and practice at the municipal, state, and federal levels. While there is no single solution to the tragic epidemic of gun violence, members agree that more guns are not the solution to gun violence, and are expected to be supportive of the policies of progressive gun control reform organizations.

Groups differ from forums in that they are considered safe havens. One needs to agree with the SOP of the group to participate, and that goes for any group, not just this one. So if you feel you support the goals above, fantastic. If not, I look forward to discussing issues with you elsewhere on DU.

[ceonupe]

4. because i prefer a different method of gun violence and control than you does not mean i am against

because i prefer a different method of gun violence and control than you does not mean i am against gun control.

I support universal background checks
I don't support AWB's

I support programs that help solve the problems of gun violence. I strongly support programs that foucs on the most at risk groups.

I don't believe that gun control equals bans and restrictive measures.

I support that persons that should not by law have guns dont and I support measures that make it difficult for them to get them

I do however 100% the RKBA and the 2nd amendment. And dont support restrictions that restrict unduly the rights of legal law abiding gun owners. I believe there is a balance to be found.

I don't believe EVERYone who owns a gun is a murder in waiting any more than i support the fact that EVERY banker is a theft or every man is a potential rapist because he has a penis.

I want to reduce the senseless slaughter or what is mostly young black men with the occasional innocent bystander getting the worse outcome far to often.

I have found many not to be for gun control gun safety or violence reduction but clearly state they are for civilian disarmament like UK, Japan, Aus. that i dont agree with.

But yeah if you want to discuss gun control and measures with a real young black male gun owner who has a ccw and supports the spirit of violence reduction I would love to continue to engage you and others on this forum/group. I always keep it respectful and try to provide some honest insight into how i and some of my fellow democrat gun owners who also are young minorities. in 2008 we were sportsmen for obama and non of us want more killings and senseless violence. i also like to point out in this forum how both sides play each other for money votes and power, how NYC and blomberg push states around to accept less gun control than NY/NYC has because of the fear NYC has of losing their laws.

i enjoy adult conversations and hate trolls on both sides of issues. I understand everyone wont agree but i hope everyone can pickup something useful in the exchange of ideas and opinions.

[BainsBane]

7. I'm sure the gungeon would love to have your participation

This group is dedicated to activism on the very issues you oppose. There are lots of places we can discuss those issues, like in General Discussion for example. I am not threatening to ban you. I am not a host here. I am simply pointing out what the purpose of this group is. I, for example, not being African-American don't participate in that group, just as I don't participate in the groups dedicated to vegetarianism or LGBT.

I welcome you to DU and look forward to your contributions here.

[ceonupe]

5. im new so i cant PM

so ill just say it here I respect your home and will keep my posts to points of common interest.

I would also say be very aware of the wolf in gun control clothing Mike Bloomberg. i know you support his financial backing and thats but as a black man i know i have less rights in his city, more likely to be stopped firsked searched and humiliated for no reason. than i do in my southern home town.

We can agree that background checks are a good place to look at being the first place to stop guns from going to those nolonger having the right to them.

[BainsBane]

6. I don't live in NY

so I don't make any proclamations about him as Mayor. I don't need to approve of him as mayor to welcome some money that counters the NRA. I'm not going to marry the guy. I have never understood this idea that someone needs to be an icon or virtue to approve of anything they do.

91% of Americas favor expanded background checks. I am shocked that any Democrat here would oppose them, but then I don't think Democrats really do.

[ceonupe]

8. i agree i dont oppose background checks

i agree i dont oppose background checks for private transfers or gun show internet sells. Intra family transfers are intresting. the ideas for background checks mean all sales/ xfers should go thru them I dont agree fundamentally on why intrafamily xfers would not need the check cousin rick may not have told cousin jim about his conviction for domestic violence a few years ago in another state that made a prohibited person. Cousin Jim currently has no way to run a background check.

A good system would be a validated token system where the purchaser runs their own check at a cost to them. The government gives them a onetime use token for transfer that the seller uses to enter into a federal secure website to validate the person has passed the check. The seller would then get a record of the transaction they can save for their records if they wish. The record keeping would not detail serial numbers but rather on xxx date xxx person was legally allowed to purchase a gun.

this solves lots of privacy issues and limits the "threat" of a backdoor registry. However if the goal is to build a registry this idea as stated above wont work without additional information from the seller. (serial number of each gun as an example and identity of the sell which under the plan above is not named but just assigned a transaction number)

[BainsBane]

9. That would work

[CTyankee]

10. your ideas sound good to me but I will ask you what I ask other RKBA supporters here:

what are you doing at your state level to advance these measures? How are you active in achieving change for a safer citizenry in your state?

Quite frankly, we hear a lot of talk about what changes gun enthusiasts "would" make "if only..." but I want to see more action. Actions, as you know, speak louder than words...