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The separation of church and state is not in the constitution. (Original Post) Dunc Saturday OP
First Amendment Pototan Saturday #1
Reading comprehension is Dave Id Saturday #12
It kind of is . . . Aussie105 Saturday #2
That is ignorant bmichaelh Saturday #3
They really want to get rid of the New Testament. You know that evil stuff. LiberalArkie Saturday #13
It doesn't SPECIFICALLY say there's a separation.... AZ8theist Saturday #4
Thomas Jefferson described a "wall of separation" in a letter, in 1802, yellow dahlia Saturday #15
Yes. AZ8theist 14 hrs ago #16
It doesn't use the word "Separation" - RB77 Saturday #5
Cheeto Pedo having trouble keeping his eyes open. KS Toronado Saturday #6
Jeezus. Joinfortmill Saturday #7
Prohibiting the raping of young girls is not in the Constitution. I get it. twodogsbarking Saturday #8
Neither is manslaughter or jwalking in the constitution. Festivito Saturday #9
I hate that Patrick SOB. Texas needs to lock him up in an asylum Historic NY Saturday #10
Who the the effing hell is that stupid sob?!? mwmisses4289 Saturday #11
But if you repeat it enough times..... infullview Saturday #14
MaddowBlog-White House commission brushes off First Amendment, eyes 'bridge' between church and state LetMyPeopleVote 3 hrs ago #17

Pototan

(3,246 posts)
1. First Amendment
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 05:06 AM
Saturday

First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

Dave Id

(377 posts)
12. Reading comprehension is
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 07:47 AM
Saturday

either hard or selective for Republicans. And silly me, I thought they only applied that to the Bible. Looks like my old self learned something else about the fascist Right.

Aussie105

(8,360 posts)
2. It kind of is . . .
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 05:07 AM
Saturday

But some go reading blind when they see stuff in the Constitution they don't like.

Like that one that says no demonic psychopath should be president.

bmichaelh

(1,326 posts)
3. That is ignorant
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 05:39 AM
Saturday

James Madison and others did not want the new nation to be involved in religious wars of Europe.

That is main reason that clause is in it.

Many of the framers were Deists and would have little in common with those people standing behind Donald Trump.

In fact, Thomas Jefferson did not believe in miracles and created a version of Bible just limited to Christ's teachings, The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible

I suspect Trump and others wish they could get rid of Christ's moral teachings.

LiberalArkie

(19,975 posts)
13. They really want to get rid of the New Testament. You know that evil stuff.
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 07:59 AM
Saturday

And still be Christian’s that are allowed to rape and pillage all those who dont worship the same idol they do.

AZ8theist

(7,765 posts)
4. It doesn't SPECIFICALLY say there's a separation....
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 06:08 AM
Saturday

...but the 1st Amendment IMPLIES it.

And these religious nitwits will never understand that the separation PROTECTS THEM.

The separation was REQUIRED to keep the religious factions from abusing and killing each other in the nations infancy.
It never ceases to amaze me how ignorant religious leaders are to our early history. That, and the made-up bullshit of how our country was started as a "christian" nation. WRONG!! The founding fathers were a lot smarter back then than the current Reich Wing in America is today. They put in place a framework where ALL RELIGIONS (and NO religion) could coexist in harmony.

It prevented the new nation from the mindless violence that one faction heaps on another for not believing "correctly".
It's why our ancestors left Europe in the first place, to escape religious tryanny.

Yet these fucking Nazi, racist, anti-semites want to bring us back to the Dark Ages.
Using violence, if necessary. (.see "KKK", anti-abortion activists, ICE, Jan 6th, etc.)

They can go fuck themselves.

AZ8theist

(7,765 posts)
16. Yes.
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 10:55 PM
14 hrs ago

He replied to the Danbury, Ct Baptist congregation who were afraid of persecution by the CONGREGATIONALISTS of Danbury Connecticut.
The point is that the "wall of separation" protects everyone, including competing christian factions as well as other religions or no religion. The fact that those exact words are not in the Constitution is besides the point. The restriction on government imposed religion is clearly spelled out in Amendment 1.
The Reich Wing today wants to blur those lines of separation conveniently forgetting the history involved creating and amending the Constitution. The Founding Fathers wre a LOT SMARTER than the current morons trying to shove their beliefs down everybody's throat.

RB77

(135 posts)
5. It doesn't use the word "Separation" -
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 06:53 AM
Saturday

However the First Amendment, and “The No Religious Test Clause” - Article 5, Clause 3 and The Treaty of Tripoli, (ratified under John Adam’s) - “The Government of the United States of America, is not, in any sense founded on the Christian religion”, - sums it up !!!

Festivito

(13,957 posts)
9. Neither is manslaughter or jwalking in the constitution.
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 07:32 AM
Saturday

As I understand it, the rule comes from the supreme court's interpretation of the first amendment.

Historic NY

(40,215 posts)
10. I hate that Patrick SOB. Texas needs to lock him up in an asylum
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 07:33 AM
Saturday

Texas is now making reading the bible or bible passages part of the education curricula in schools.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jun/26/texas-bible-required-reading-public-school]

LetMyPeopleVote

(184,147 posts)
17. MaddowBlog-White House commission brushes off First Amendment, eyes 'bridge' between church and state
Mon Jun 29, 2026, 09:50 AM
3 hrs ago

Trump’s religious liberty commission made the case for theocratic objectives, which was every bit as unsettling as it seemed.

Thomas Jefferson said the First Amendment created a “wall of separation of church and state.”

More than two centuries later, an official White House commission wants to replace the “wall” — with a theocracy-friendly “bridge.”
www.ms.now/rachel-maddo...

Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2026-06-29T12:01:06.202Z

https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/white-house-religious-liberty-commission-church-and-state

Around this time four years ago, Republican Rep. Lauren Boebert of Colorado condemned the separation of church and state as “junk.” As part of the same public comments, the far-right congresswoman added, “The church is supposed to direct the government.”....

Four years later, these theocratic attitudes have found a home in the White House. The Associated Press reported:

A new report by a Trump administration commission suggests replacing the idea of separating church and state with the idea of building bridges between them.

The assertion — challenging a longstanding concept in American law — comes amid a raft of recommendations in a draft report of the Religious Liberty Commission, released Friday afternoon
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Shortly after Donald Trump returned to the Oval Office, he created this commission and filled it with conservative Christians aligned with the religious right movement. To the surprise of no one, it produced a 224-page draft report that endorsed a variety of goals, including more government promotion of religion, new laws to allow faith-based leaders to endorse politicians while maintaining their tax-exempt status, and allowing faith-based groups with government contracts to ignore civil rights laws while receiving taxpayer money.

In case this isn’t obvious, the First Amendment states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” According to Thomas Jefferson, those 16 words created a “wall of separation between church and state.”

Centuries later, Trump’s commission wants to replace the metaphor with a new one.

“The concept of a ‘wall of separation between church and state’ can wrongly imply that church and state are opposed to one another and must remain completely separate,” the panel’s members wrote in their report. “In reality, however, church and state strengthen and support one another. Perhaps a better analogy is that religious liberty acts as a bridge between church and state.”....

As a practical matter, it’s entirely possible that the commission’s recommendations were an elaborate chest-thumping exercise, which will have little if any impact on policymaking. But the fact that an official White House panel endorsed creating a “bridge” between church and state is an unsettling development, whether anything meaningful comes of its efforts or not.

This is scary. trump wants to break down the wall between the church and state
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