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somsai

(96 posts)
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 11:30 AM Feb 20

One Simple Question for Democrats, by Ruy Teixeira

Democrats are roaming in the political wilderness and seem bewildered on how to find their way out. More resistance? More moderation? More lawfare? More denunciations of fascism/authoritarianism/lawlessness? Look for ways to compromise? Don’t look for ways to compromise? Shut down the government? Don’t shut down the government? Better messaging of Democratic positions? Actually change Democratic positions? It’s all so confusing!

It needn’t be. There’s one simple question—a sort of test—that would illuminate the path forward for Democrats.

What would the working class say

https://www.liberalpatriot.com/p/one-simple-question-for-democrats

Insightful ideas about what we need to do to start winning back some elections, especially in regards to the working class.
The maps of where we win and where we don't, match with uncanny accuracy where more voters have a degree, and where they don't.

Also it's worth taking a look at that crazy graphic with blue and red arrows zig zagging around. One axis shows income, the other shows education. We are now at about the same place Republicans were at when they ran Bob Dole for the presidency, if anyone can remember back that far, I was much much too young The Republicans are now in a place not too far away from where Bill Clinton was at that time. You can see little loop de loos from G W Bush, and then Obama, our last working class win, then a fast get away towards elitism.
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One Simple Question for Democrats, by Ruy Teixeira (Original Post) somsai Feb 20 OP
I remember when Teixera wrote on the coming minority-driven demographics & how Dems would have hlthe2b Feb 20 #1
He correctly predicted the Obama sweep somsai Feb 20 #3
This guy? No thanks. lapucelle Feb 20 #2
He wasn't alone somsai Feb 20 #4
We have a big tent, and that guy is welcome in it. lapucelle Feb 20 #7
just curious Skittles Feb 20 #9
Yeah JustAnotherGen Feb 20 #6
Anyone who's been here for 13 years* should know how hard we work to get out our message, lapucelle Feb 20 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author 2naSalit Feb 20 #5

hlthe2b

(109,024 posts)
1. I remember when Teixera wrote on the coming minority-driven demographics & how Dems would have
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 11:47 AM
Feb 20

a majority lock on elections for decades--prediction coming after Gore was summarily denied the 2000 election.

'Hardly the first "authority" to be wrong about such things, but I don't put him on the pedestal he once was in directing Democratic strategies...

somsai

(96 posts)
3. He correctly predicted the Obama sweep
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 12:01 PM
Feb 20

His predictions were based on increasing minority numbers plus the swing to the left of the college educated. Besides minorities he also assumed Democrats wouldn't drive the working class away as happened in 16, and wrote as much at the time.

Ruy has also been right in predicting our losses of the working class, especially the Hispanic working class.

Ruy along with John Judis who collaborated with him on the Coming Democratic Majority you refer to, have a new book out they collaborated on called "where have all the Democrats gone"

lapucelle

(19,962 posts)
2. This guy? No thanks.
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 11:49 AM
Feb 20
A Democrat Ponders a ‘Thumping Rebuke’

Ruy Teixeira says the party went wrong when it abandoned ‘progressive centrism’ and embraced a hard-left cultural ideology.

Did you feel the joy on Tuesday night? Ruy Teixeira sure didn’t. He held his nose and voted for Kamala Harris, but he found her “distinctive policy ideas, to the extent she had them, questionable. I was definitely not a big enthusiast, but I voted for her anyway.” His “historical loyalty” to the Democratic Party meant that he couldn’t bring himself to vote for Donald Trump. “A lot of the obvious things that bother people about Trump bothered me too,” he says. Mr. Trump is “a bit too chaotic and unpredictable, and it seemed risky to me.” Mr. Teixeira didn’t buy into “all this baloney about how he’s going to institute fascism, but Trump did make me kind of nervous.”

Mr. Teixeira, 72, is a longtime Democrat who is distraught about the direction his party has taken. In 2002, he and John Judis published “The Emerging Democratic Majority,” which predicted a dominant future for his party. It didn’t come to pass. Two decades later [Ruy Teixeira] resigned from his fellowship at the Center for American Progress, a left-leaning Washington think tank that had become a cauldron of woke conformity, and joined the center-right American Enterprise Institute, of which I [Islamaphobe and Wall Street journal contributor Tunku Varadarajan] am also a fellow.

https://archive.ph/pKDDc#selection-5911.0-5915.504

somsai

(96 posts)
4. He wasn't alone
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 12:07 PM
Feb 20

Many Democrats voted for Harris out of party loyalty as much as anything. I don't have a source for Biden to Trump switchers, but suspect it's larger than the popular vote difference.

We have a choice, support the working class, or lose. I suspect the CAP folks would choose to lose.

Part of winning elections is having a big tent, kicking everyone out is a sure way to lose.

lapucelle

(19,962 posts)
7. We have a big tent, and that guy is welcome in it.
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 01:44 PM
Feb 20

Anyone who has actually read the Democratic Party platforms and who is aware of everything the Biden-Harris administration accomplished for the working class knows that. This guy apparently doesn't.

The last thing we need to do is take messaging advice from another

"No, I'm not aware of what the Biden-Harris administration accomplished, but Democrats suck. And even though I'm uninformed, you should take my advice anyway."

pundit.

JustAnotherGen

(34,643 posts)
6. Yeah
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 12:55 PM
Feb 20

Over this bullshit from the weak will old guard.

I don't believe (if we have TRUE elections in the next 20 - 40 years) that policy wins.

Cult of personality, boldness, cut throat language -

That's the way forward.

Example - Jasmine Crockette and Robert Garcia.

To me? They are the future and folks I can get behind. Like they are right up in the opposition's grill.

Shit at this point , I'd support Marshall Mathers or Shawn Carter for President in 2028.

lapucelle

(19,962 posts)
8. Anyone who's been here for 13 years* should know how hard we work to get out our message,
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 01:50 PM
Feb 20

only to have it stepped on by a Wall Street Journal pundit posturing as *everyman*, as long as *everyman* is male, white, and aggrieved by discussing issues that don't affect him.

Besides, who would trust the judgement of someone like Mr. Teixeira?

Mr. Teixeira didn’t buy into “all this baloney about how [Trump is] going to institute fascism

https://archive.ph/pKDDc#selection-5911.543-5911.631

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*NB
I read profiles.


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