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Lonestarblue

(12,499 posts)
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 09:45 AM Mar 21

There Is a Way for Democrats to Stop Trump and Save America

Thought-provoking article from the NYT by Ben Rhodes, who was Deputy National Security Advisor under Obama. I found this paragraph near the end to reflect a lot of thinking here.

“If you don’t like what is happening to this country, you don’t need to wait for someone to come along and save it: You need each other. That should be the message that Democrats embrace, because most Americans don’t want to go where Donald Trump and Elon Musk are leading us.”

These paragraphs are from the beginning of the article.

“The party has a credibility gap rooted in its initial willingness to support Joe Biden’s decision to run for re-election while warning that the stakes were existential. If that was the case, then why ignore the overwhelming majorities of Americans who believed that he was too old to run, and choose loyalty to a Washington stalwart over the country’s appetite for drastic change?

We are living through the reckoning of defending the status quo.

Yet there is opportunity in this drift: to reimagine what the party stands for, how it will fight its way back and who will lead it. Over the last few weeks, I’ve spoken to some members of the newer generation of Democrats in Congress wrestling with these questions, to the up-and-coming governor of Maryland and to activists who have battled authoritarianism in other countries. Their ideas leave me hopeful that there is a path for America’s political opposition if it casts off a top-down Washington strategy, stale talking points about democracy and the middle class and its own circular firing squads.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/21/opinion/democrats-trump-resistance.html?unlocked_article_code=1.5k4.h7bF.0EGL_cwkMM2G&smid=url-share

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Scrivener7

(54,997 posts)
1. I can't see more than what is in the OP. Does the article include suggestions
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 09:47 AM
Mar 21

on how to turn the sentiment into a coordinated movement?

bucolic_frolic

(49,516 posts)
2. Save America Now More Than Ever
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 10:19 AM
Mar 21

We need a slogan to compete with MAGA

Save America N̶o̶w̶ M̶o̶r̶e̶ T̶h̶a̶n̶ E̶v̶e̶r̶

Save America Forevermore

Scrivener7

(54,997 posts)
5. OK! Got the whole thing and thanks for the gifted article! This line, I think, tells the story:
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 10:53 AM
Mar 21
I believe that people across the country want to be asked to join an opposition where they can be part of the solution.

I think this is what can save us.

I disagree with Rhodes when he says the Democratic party has to reinvent itself. He lists a bunch of policies that he wants to see, but they are all already policies that define the Democratic party.

He falls into the trap that I think most have been doing lately. (And many on DU have always hated me for saying this, but whatever.) The Democratic party does not need to redefine itself.

What we need is to stop sucking at messaging.

There are some here who like to point out the many press releases and the hundreds of congress members' individual websites and say, "See? They're messaging just fine! You just have to do the work and go find it!" This is a ridiculous misunderstanding about what messaging is and how it works.

In the meantime, since before 2016, the republican party has been LITERALLY using psyops on EVERY Facebook account via Cambridge Analytica to mold public opinion. They have bots dominating every other social media platform. They disseminate their misinformation before our guys ever get their press releases off the mimeograph machine.

The argument that usually gets raised here is, "But the republicans own all the media outlets." Yes, that's true. But that's been true for at least 30 years, and we still don't have a plan on how to get around that.

30 years. We need to stop making that excuse.

Chris Murphy gets it. And there are others who are beginning to sound the alarm, beginning to experiment in ways to break through that republican misinformation wall. This is great. But until we start listening to Murphy and people like him, we will continue to hurtle faster and faster toward a fascism that will ruin our lives and our country.

We DO need leaders. Anyone who says different is delusional. This needs to be coordinated. "Be the change you want to see" is a lovely plaque, but my efforts, though multiple and sincere, don't amount to much at all.

But I sincerely believe the moment the people like us see a sensible, coordinated plan from our leaders, a list of things we can do that won't amount to spitting into the wind, there will be a groundswell that will not be able to be stopped.

thought crime

(56 posts)
8. Need a movement
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 02:01 AM
Mar 22

“To succeed, the opposition must become a movement out in the country rather than a party trying to discover a formula in Washington.”

Bernie and AOC are showing how to do it. I would love to see Jasmine Crockett, Andy Kim, Wes Moore, Elissa Slotkin and yes, Nancy Pelosi out there, too.

Does the Democratic Party need to reinvent itself? No, but it needs to rediscover itself.

Two words: New Deal.

Scrivener7

(54,997 posts)
9. OK, but then Bernie just told people to run as Independents instead of Democrats. That's not a good thing.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 09:54 AM
Mar 22

That's not how to do it.

samnsara

(18,454 posts)
11. its the republicans that need to run as Independants..
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 08:06 AM
Mar 24

... but im still mad at bernie for his handling of the bros in 2016....

AllaN01Bear

(24,519 posts)
7. i need to speak here
Fri Mar 21, 2025, 05:46 PM
Mar 21

if we change our branding , who will stand up for the weak, seiniors, disabled. and the poor. who will stand up for us, if we fight like them we are them., ah thepoor , nothing but lip service for thousands of years . nobody gives a hoot hoot hoot about them? so rebrand and walk aw2ay from us or fight in ouown way. i will never ever become like them

lees1975

(6,372 posts)
10. We are now down to our very last chances, people. We haven't taken this seriously enough.
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 09:45 PM
Mar 23

Probably one of the best quotes in the article:

How are you going to reform how politics works in this country if you won’t reform how it works inside your own party?

You can’t build movements without breaking things. That entails risk. You will lose some donors, antagonize some interest groups and even alienate some voters.

But nothing could be riskier than our current course. This country is being destroyed from within, and what are we talking about? We don’t need a detailed new policy agenda from Democrats that they can’t implement now and that most people will never read. We don’t need politicians fanning out as awkward guests on podcasts about sports or culture or conspiracy theories.

We need authenticity. We need to know that the party is willing to fight for the things that matter most to people in this country and is unafraid to take on the special interests that are destroying it. Don’t just tell us what policy or program you are for; tell us why you are for it. Show leadership by letting a new generation ascend. Look for people like Andy Kim who are showing courage and creativity in communities. Amplify those voices so there is a resistance that doesn’t feel manufactured.


Democrats played the old political game right through the entire Biden administration. They wouldn't take risks, because of old line thinking. They wouldn't make bold moves, because Biden was a traditional politician who knew how government worked and was willing to keep things moving as slowly and painfully as possible because that was always the way they had done it. They squandered two years of political control of Congress and the White House, when they could have put a stop to Trump once and for all and had the asshole behind bars for good, because they dragged their feet, himmed and hawed, were afraid to look political and did not want to appear as if they had adopted the Republican methodology of winner take all and no compromise. They were determined to take the high road even though there was no one to compromise with. And the end result was that they helped put Trump back in the White House and gave the GOP control of Congress. And if Democrats don't make some drastic changes now, Biden will go down in history as the President who handed it all over to Trump and said, "Good luck."

If we'd taken some risks, like breaking the Senate filibuster to amend the judiciary act and pack the Supreme Court, we would not be staring at a blatantly unconstitutional immunity ruling, we would have had a Supreme Court that would have picked Trump's insurrection charges out of the moribund Justice Departments hands, cut the red tape and pushed it to its justified conclusion, branding him as the Insurrectionist he was, jailing him and ending any possibility of his re-election. There would, of course, have been some aftermath because of ending the filibuster, though that ancient and ineffective methodology should never be present in a Democratic Republic. And if we'd done that, then the 19 million or so Biden voters who dropped out and stayed home in 2024 would have had something to motivate getting their asses up off the couch.

We needed the kind of leadership being called for in this piece to sit down with Joe Biden, in the fall of 2022, and make sure that the transitional presidency to which he had alluded, and came up to the edge of promising, was the course of action. An open primary campaign may have very well produced a Kamala Harris candidacy, but making that go the primary and campaign route would have done two things we didn't do. One of those was to get two full years of exposure to an agenda in front of the voters, the other would have been to provide time and opportunity to listen to a lot of people who knew how to win elections. If we'd succeeded in keeping Trump off the ballot, this would have set the Democratic party up for control of the government for the foreseeable future. But we went the old line, old school, old political route of letting the incumbent, a long time Democratic traditionalist, make the decision himself. And now that long time Democratic traditionalist will be stained with the legacy of opening the door to the "existential threat to Democracy" that was the whole focus of his campaign and Presidency in the first place.

We had two years to pass legislation to shore up some of the areas of democracy where the trust required to make it work effectively no longer exists. And I'm going to say this because it needs to be said. We had four years, which isn't a long time, but long enough, to put the mechanisms in place that were necessary to prevent Republicans from stealing elections, instead of sitting idly by, claiming that someone was "on it," and letting the Republicans and Trump steal the 2024 election right out from underneath us in plain sight, with evidence already gathered and published. Read Greg Palast, if you want the gory details.

ultralite001

(1,494 posts)
15. Music...
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 04:36 PM
Mar 24

We need a new generation of protest songs... + a revival of old protest songs that still resonate...

More "Tesla Takedown Dance Party" protest events... Turn them into "Trump Takedown Dance Party" protest events...
The joy is contagious... + music soothes the savage MAGA beaat...

https://www.youtube.com/live/31ECYGp6C7M?si=C7dJGfJSg6KS4xKg


Include the Equity Arc musicians + retired military musicians w/ every Bernie Sanders
+ AOC + Eric Swalwell + every other Dem Town Hall + other events across the country...

Equity Arc on "60 MINUTES"

On May 4, 2025, Equity Arc was set to present a wind symphony concert with the U.S. Marine Band “The President’s Own”(USMB). That concert, which would have been the culminating event of a multi-day intensive learning experience between the students and “The President’s Own” was cancelled in mid-February due to the recent presidential executive order entitled “Ending Radical and Wasteful DEI Programs and Preferencing.”


In the wake of that cancellation, we reached out to retired members of the premier military and military academy bands to recreate both the mentoring and performing experiences for the students. We planned and executed this reimagined event together in a matter of days. Equity Arc granted CBS’ 60 Minutes access to capture the full experience.


Please check out the "60 Minutes" video. It's inspiring...




Watch the full Equity Arc Wind Symphony performance

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