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Related: About this forumTrump and his threats to Canada. First, let's look at NATO countries and then Article 5.
Contrary to the delusional person sitting in the Oval Office. The USA-Canadian border is NOT JUST A LINE DRAWN WITH A RULER.Canada is a NATO country. It was one of the founding members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) when it was established on April 4, 1949.
There are 32 member countries in NATO:
Founding Members (1949):
Belgium
Canada
Denmark
France
Iceland
Italy
Luxembourg
Netherlands
Norway
Portugal
United Kingdom
United States
Purpose of NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization):
NATO is a military alliance formed in 1949 to promote:
Collective defense: If one member is attacked, it's considered an attack against all (Article 5).
Peace and security: Particularly in the North Atlantic area.
Democratic values: Promoting cooperation on defense and security to deter conflict.
Crisis management and deterrence against aggressors (originally aimed at countering Soviet expansion during the Cold War).
Key Principle – Article 5:
Invoked only once in NATO's history—after the 9/11 attacks on the United States in 2001.
If a U.S. President Attempted to Overtake Canada:
This would be extremely serious and unprecedented, and here's what would likely happen:
1. Violation of International Law:
Such an action would violate the United Nations Charter, NATO’s founding treaty, and countless international agreements.
It would be viewed as an act of war and aggression.
2. NATO Crisis – Potential Article 5 Triggered:
Canada, as a NATO member, could invoke Article 5.
Ironically, other NATO members (including European allies) would be obligated to defend Canada—against the U.S.
This would fracture or collapse the alliance unless swift diplomatic action was taken.
3. Internal U.S. Resistance:
The U.S. military, Congress, judiciary, and public would almost certainly oppose such a move.
The military takes an oath to the Constitution, not to a president personally.
High-ranking military officials would likely refuse illegal orders.
The 25th Amendment (removal of a president unfit for office) might be invoked.
4. Global Sanctions and Isolation:
The U.S. would face immediate international backlash, including:
Sanctions
Trade embargoes
Diplomatic isolation
Possibly even expulsion from NATO (though no formal process currently exists for that)
5. Collapse of U.S. Leadership on the World Stage:
It would mark the end of U.S. global credibility.
Other alliances (like the UN, Five Eyes, G7) would be thrown into chaos.
Greece (1952)
Türkiye (1952)
Germany (1955)
Spain (1982)
Czech Republic (1999)
Hungary (1999)
Poland (1999)
Bulgaria (2004)
Estonia (2004)
Latvia (2004)
Lithuania (2004)
Romania (2004)
Slovakia (2004)
Slovenia (2004)
Albania (2009)
Croatia (2009)
Montenegro (2017)
North Macedonia (2020)
Finland (2023)
Sweden (2024)

doc03
(37,647 posts)destabilize the Canadian government to attempt to put in a puppet government.
usaf-vet
(7,419 posts)Article 92 requires service members to obey lawful orders.
It explicitly does not require obedience to unlawful orders.
Refusal to follow an unlawful order is not a violation of Article 92.
Legal Foundation
U.S. military law recognizes that “I was just following orders” is not a defense for committing an illegal act.
This principle was established clearly after World War II, particularly during the Nuremberg Trials.
The U.S. Department of Defense Law of War Manual reinforces that military personnel have a duty to disobey manifestly unlawful orders.
Examples of Unlawful Orders
Orders to kill civilians
Orders to torture prisoners
Orders that violate the Constitution or international law
Bottom Line
A military member is legally protected when refusing to obey an unlawful order. The burden is on the individual to recognize that the order is clearly illegal—this is not a get-out-of-jail-free card for disobedience, but a serious responsibility.
thought crime
(72 posts)What is hilarious in a sick way is that Trump fully expects to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his effort to force Ukraine to surrender to Putin, while at the same time threatening Canada and Greenland.
Old Testament Libera
(40 posts)...and Greenland, and Panama, he would need to stop purging the officer corps. Morale and professionalism in the military are all-important. You can't fake military competence.
You can, however, fake business and political skills - which Trump and Musk do every day. So they probably think that their loyalists can fake military leadership.
NATO, by the way, is a treaty ratified by Congress in 1949. A treaty takes precedence over all other law, federal and state. If Trump violates it by invading Canada, or any NATO member (includes Denmark, which administers Greenland) then this is an impeachable offense.
usaf-vet
(7,419 posts)ultralite001
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