Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

General Discussion

Showing Original Post only (View all)

In It to Win It

(9,572 posts)
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 06:34 PM Saturday

Serious qestion: I feel like I'm being gaslit. Where does the perception of "Democratic elitism" come from? [View all]

I'm genuinely curious.

Aside Republicans who have tag us with the "coastal elites" and "privileged college-educated people", I'm seeing prominent left-leaning figures repeating it as the reason we lost.

Since the election, I've read tons of articles, op-eds, and discussions here on DU about how Democrats need to stop talking down to people; how Democrats tell working people that "you're too transphobic", too sexist, too stupid to understand, or whatever else... and "that's the reason Democrats lost."

I see articles like that and I think "you've been scrolling through Twitter too much. Who did that? Is it a bunch of liberals and left wing academics online that have no power and no one voted for?"

It wasn't Joe Biden. It wasn't Kamala Harris. I didn't see any House and Senate Dems run on identity issues. I saw a bunch of cost of living ads, border and immigration ads, inflation ads and so on. The few times I watched town halls and debates, I didn't hear candidates talk about "culture war" or "identity" issues. I didn't see any "woke" stuff.

Where is the identity policy? Did I miss it?

Over the last 4 years, I've seen little "identity politics" from Democratic politicians. I've seen very little "talking down to regular people" by Democratic politicians. Yet, all I've heard for last week and a half is that the Democrats are the "smarty pants" party; the "college educated party"; the "talk down to working people" party.... but, WHERE?

Is there a part of Democratic politics that I'm missing? I honestly feel like I'm being gaslit.

136 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
if you support people I hate due to my religious beliefs you are elitist nt msongs Saturday #1
From Atlantic to Pacific Ocean, we won 4 states. jimfields33 Saturday #10
they know blue states subsidize red states Skittles Saturday #2
And now that 32 states are red. The blue states won't be jimfields33 Saturday #12
It was invisible. It was sold through churches and MAGA voting lists. bucolic_frolic Saturday #3
From the Republican elites that are running the propaganda firehose? OAITW r.2.0 Saturday #4
Completely agree. But why are left-leaning people who know better are also saying it? In It to Win It Saturday #9
Those that can't see, want to be blind. OAITW r.2.0 Saturday #19
Rooted in anti-intellectualism, imho. Duncan Grant Saturday #5
That's the best explanation I've seen/heard. Have also wondered about elitism when it's allegorical oracle Saturday #23
Or, to put it a little more crudely, soldierant Sunday #74
Interesting original meaning. electric_blue68 7 hrs ago #131
Because they play the dumb card and we call them on it. boston bean Saturday #6
Elitist used to mean someone (rich) who lived a life so far Tadpole Raisin Saturday #7
I completely agree. Republicans now reject science, medicine, education. tulipsandroses 16 hrs ago #118
Started with Woodrow Wilson. And honestly, before the southern strategy got the parties to flip, haele Saturday #8
If you know who the speaker of the house is and what this position does you're in the top 20% of governmental knowledge uponit7771 Saturday #11
People smarter than Republicans are. travelingthrulife Saturday #13
It is bullshit, spread by some of the MSM talking iidiots. The most elitist is the sociopath, and his hench men. JohnSJ Saturday #14
I would agree. What confuses me is people who are on our side also saying it... In It to Win It Saturday #15
Are they really on "our" side? That statement is lie. The Democratic Party is NOT shouting "down" to anybody. It is a JohnSJ Saturday #20
people "on our side" - TBF Saturday #27
David Axelrod, Chris Murphy, a few here on DU post that Democrats do this In It to Win It Saturday #35
That is 2 well known people and one low count poster - TBF Saturday #37
Ok, I think we're on the same page. Just making sure I wasn't crazy. In It to Win It Saturday #41
I think that idea has been there for many years Meowmee Saturday #16
Yeah, I've been saying that too about the so-called liberal elite schools In It to Win It Saturday #17
The ivy league schools are more like legacy media -- simply have been around a long time. They allegorical oracle Saturday #25
They've not only been around a long time, TBF Saturday #38
Coastal elites, limousine liberals, celebrity endorsements MaryMagdaline Saturday #18
Half the country has less than $400. For an emergency questionseverything 22 hrs ago #109
They make good money and are highly skilled. MaryMagdaline 20 hrs ago #114
Elitism is the new term for... S/V Loner Saturday #21
DON'T OVERTHINK IT. JEWS! ANTI-SEMITISM. usonian Saturday #22
You're asking this question in the wrong space Sympthsical Saturday #24
So where is it you hang out when you're not here? Is that where you're recommending the OP go? Hekate Saturday #32
I read everywhere Sympthsical Saturday #39
It's A Line RobinA Sunday #68
I know two people who voted Trump and they give up when I try to talk politics with them. kerry-is-my-prez 8 hrs ago #130
If you were, like, supercool dpibel Sunday #86
As a 'coastal elite', Abolishinist Yesterday #90
Forget it, Jake. It's DUtown. Abolishinist Saturday #40
But I have talked with people who leaned toward Trump. Regular ass everyday folks In It to Win It Sunday #55
I'll give you one major example that I've heard a lot of Sympthsical 14 hrs ago #119
You ARE being gaslit. That's the point. The message comes from republicans who Scrivener7 Saturday #26
This. nt TBF Saturday #28
It comes from MAGAGOP. About the time I slogged my way thru a graduate degree, I realized... Hekate Saturday #29
"Elites" is yet another euphemism... appmanga Saturday #30
Sounds about right. "Critical thinking" is a baaaad thing. Hekate Saturday #34
Good point. Get rid of the word "elite," and concentrate on the divide between... LAS14 Sunday #45
I'd agree except undereducated people intheflow Sunday #46
Why isn't it taught in K-12 public schools? MichMan Sunday #54
Mostly Because we teach to standardized tests. intheflow Sunday #61
Are you referring exclusively to red states? MichMan Sunday #62
No, it's been national form for some time. intheflow Sunday #63
But then, and this cannot be denied, you have a not insignificant number of educators, administrators, and/or curricula Seeking Serenity Sunday #82
A big problem also, tho, intheflow 20 hrs ago #113
Aww, thank you. Seeking Serenity 17 hrs ago #116
I totally agree. Education at every level must be the best that it can be. LAS14 Sunday #69
Hmmmm... respectfully... electric_blue68 Yesterday #95
Never said they shouldn't be celebrated. intheflow 20 hrs ago #111
Biden has argued multiple times wryter2000 Sunday #85
Because with our current media, it's easier for them to call Ds elitist than Rs racist. W_HAMILTON Saturday #31
Think about the difference between GDP and income EdmondDantes_ Saturday #33
Student loans were never supposed to leave you staggering under debt that would make a loan-shark blush Hekate Saturday #36
I don't disagree, but then again I had 20,000 forgiven EdmondDantes_ Sunday #70
Are the goalposts being moved in this discussion? There's a *lot* to be said about lack of college funding... Hekate Sunday #72
Higher education used to be nearly free alarimer 10 hrs ago #125
It's just a variation of limousine liberal that was used out of the 1970s and 80s... Self Esteem Saturday #42
"I've seen very little "talking down to regular people" by Democratic politicians." LAS14 Saturday #43
Well, how about focusing on the present, and adding some historical background electric_blue68 5 hrs ago #132
One example where the Rs have a point. The term Latinx was mostly pushed by Anglo progressives including kelly1mm Saturday #44
Literally nobody outside academe uses that term. yardwork Sunday #49
Not any more. Look at DU posts from 2021-2023. You can use the search function above. Is DU kelly1mm Sunday #56
I feel properly shamed and abashed. yardwork Sunday #57
Misinformation/disinformation needs to be called out. Plus words mean things like 'literally'. kelly1mm Sunday #58
You might want to tell Sen. Warren MichMan Sunday #60
It's nothing new. VP Agnew referred to 'An effete core of impudent snobs' Ping Tung Sunday #47
You are being gaslit and it comes from Republican propaganda. yardwork Sunday #48
Agree! Well there is the whole divide and conquer strategy the opposition has been Kashkakat v.2.0 Sunday #50
Probably from Frank Luntz... kirby Sunday #51
At one point I wondered this too, however... ThePartyThatListens Sunday #52
Could you be more specific about (i quote you) electric_blue68 Yesterday #96
It's still on right now, so turn to Morning Joe ThePartyThatListens 20 hrs ago #112
I'll see if I can find it bc I finally went to sleep electric_blue68 5 hrs ago #133
MAGAts Sneederbunk Sunday #53
From republican talking points and their upmanship. republianmushroom Sunday #59
White males must have no identity maxrandb Sunday #64
Do you want an honest answer from someone who is in the bottom 80% and who has lived around them a lot? DSandra Sunday #65
That also applies to the Republican Party. The most powerful of them are the professional class... and so on. In It to Win It Sunday #67
Later in life I haven't had much money but I get a few special items from Trader's & Whole Foods electric_blue68 23 hrs ago #97
I'm talking about the people who have power... DSandra 4 hrs ago #134
I understand that, and that applies to the Republican Party as well. In It to Win It 3 hrs ago #136
As a lifelong Democrat DemonGoddess 23 hrs ago #103
But much of the Democratic Party power is among the property owners, the people who are already affluent... DSandra 3 hrs ago #135
The media and Fox News... Blue_Tires Sunday #66
as the still-poor child of working class and poor people The Wandering Harper Sunday #71
What were these nauseating moments? dpibel Sunday #78
the 3 big ones The Wandering Harper Sunday #79
Thanks dpibel Sunday #83
The Convention had *plenty* of serious moments! And it's also a get together, nothing wrong with some glitz. electric_blue68 Yesterday #93
when contrasted with the growing wealth disparity, The Wandering Harper Yesterday #94
Well, as someone who became poor, after being middle class for about half her life, and was/is concerned about issues.. electric_blue68 23 hrs ago #98
you said you're concerned about these things because you're a Democrat The Wandering Harper 23 hrs ago #99
Sorry to hear about your local Dems. Our Party can *always* use improvement... electric_blue68 23 hrs ago #102
yep, born in '73 The Wandering Harper 22 hrs ago #104
Ah, good luck w that. And... electric_blue68 22 hrs ago #105
This message was self-deleted by its author The Wandering Harper 22 hrs ago #106
thank you. My mother was about as terrrified on election night 1980 The Wandering Harper 22 hrs ago #107
third times the charm I hope The Wandering Harper 9 hrs ago #129
"Is there a part of Democratic politics that I'm missing? I honestly feel like I'm being gaslit." B.See Sunday #73
For 10 or 20 years I've been made uncomfortable when... LAS14 Sunday #75
Regarding ditch diggers soandso Yesterday #88
I wish I were familiar with Mark Rowe. I'm only barely aware of Mark Cuban. LAS14 14 hrs ago #120
And since when B.See Yesterday #89
THIS ☝️ electric_blue68 Yesterday #92
No way are policies the problem. It's the messaging that's the problem. nt LAS14 14 hrs ago #121
Well that's a surprise, because I could've sworn you wrote B.See 11 hrs ago #123
Flesh that out for me if you can, because I think this is the very opposite of Joe Biden's policies and agenda In It to Win It Yesterday #91
It's not the policies that are the problem when compared with the GOP. It's the messaging. nt LAS14 14 hrs ago #122
Ask Adlai Stevenson. no_hypocrisy Sunday #76
Ever heard getting Democrats to agree on anything is like herding cats? Freethinker65 Sunday #77
Projection Charmin One Sunday #80
RobertReich, for one. elleng Sunday #81
I'll take George Bush SomedayKindaLove Sunday #84
I don't think you missed it Tweedy Yesterday #87
from the race/religion elitists eShirl 23 hrs ago #100
It's because you are being gaslit DemonGoddess 23 hrs ago #101
I think it means... Tommy Carcetti 22 hrs ago #108
Democratic politicians generally aren't stupid FBaggins 21 hrs ago #110
Re the border issue In It to Win It 18 hrs ago #115
You are being gaslit - Elite is everything they don't like about democrats tulipsandroses 16 hrs ago #117
Many Dem politicians are incredibly rich alarimer 11 hrs ago #124
Because we have at least high normal IQ's Irish_Dem 10 hrs ago #126
Why Kamala are you not asking for a recount. When you know Musk and Trump were planing to steal the election. All they h rich7862 10 hrs ago #127
Remember limousine liberals? wryter2000 10 hrs ago #128
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Serious qestion: I feel l...