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Tweedy

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51. No doubt

Reply to kerry-is-my-prez (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2024, 03:32 PM

14 hrs ago

There is an on-going information war. We very much need reality to win.

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From Substack: Why does No One Understand the Real Reason Trump Won? [View all] kerry-is-my-prez 17 hrs ago OP

The war on reality lame54 17 hrs ago #1

Flooding the news zones with bullshit until even the NYT and WaPo start repeating it. erronis 17 hrs ago #2

It's bad enough, but the mainstream media we try to rely on pick up what they say and repeats it verbatim Walleye 17 hrs ago #3

I disagree DaddyShark 17 hrs ago #4

We in the US are ignoring this fact in our Nationalist Bubble haele 16 hrs ago #11

THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS! InstantGratification 15 hrs ago #32

People in America didn't see the total at the grocery store and say, jimfields33 15 hrs ago #37

Sure - but how did that translate into voting for Trump? yardwork 15 hrs ago #41

Voters are not always reasonable or logical. jimfields33 14 hrs ago #55

Inflation wasn't bad under Trump TheFarseer 8 hrs ago #87

Inflation took off during Trump's last year. yardwork 8 hrs ago #94

Inflation in 2020 was low. It was 1.4% In 2021 it was 7.0% EdmondDantes_ 7 hrs ago #95

Trump lost in 2020. That was toward the end of KPN 14 hrs ago #49

Trump lost in 2020 because he was a dumpster fire, but COVID was still affecting the US through 2022 haele 14 hrs ago #63

Your last sentence is key. yardwork 16 hrs ago #28

Multiple Factors Metaphorical 15 hrs ago #31

Here's my frustration. yardwork 15 hrs ago #33

Correct Cosmocat 15 hrs ago #38

most people aren't paying attention MadameButterfly 14 hrs ago #60

Voters Avalon Sparks 11 hrs ago #75

In that case, there was nothing we could have done differently. yardwork 11 hrs ago #78

Different Avalon Sparks 10 hrs ago #80

+1 leftstreet 15 hrs ago #45

Inflation certainly played a role, but in my view a lesser KPN 14 hrs ago #50

I suspect many people WANT a rude, loud, blathering, large man for President. raging moderate 10 hrs ago #83

Aside from the Interest Rates or flooding the nation with paper money Dan 14 hrs ago #59

Yep this article sums up the Democratic Party thumper2547 13 hrs ago #66

You have some good points DaddyShark 12 hrs ago #70

I completely agree with you Jk23 13 hrs ago #68

The sane-washing and the both-siderism of most media didn't help either. chowder66 17 hrs ago #5

Finally someone pointing to massive disinformation campaign as reason oldmanlynn 16 hrs ago #6

It wasn't just the right wing propagandists. lees1975 16 hrs ago #7

Thank you for this Flatrat 16 hrs ago #8

Probably because there's no "one" reason she lost. BannonsLiver 16 hrs ago #9

It's going to takes months of research to come up with valid reasons Kaleva 16 hrs ago #17

Of course there are multiple reasons, but right wing media does what it does, and it works well. Trust_Reality 15 hrs ago #30

Exactly. The media is part of it Bluetus 15 hrs ago #39

Blue, I basically agree with every point you bringup. slightlv 7 hrs ago #96

Depressing how so few understand FDR and his genius Bluetus 7 hrs ago #97

Nope. It's still the profound stupidity of a significant percentage flvegan 16 hrs ago #10

Agree Kaleva 16 hrs ago #16

Yup....and their racist sexist crap of not voting for a woman...regardless of the pain it will cause PortTack 16 hrs ago #23

The post-birth abortion bullshit and gender reassignment surgery at schools sealed my agreement with you. Pacifist Patriot 16 hrs ago #24

They grabbed the excuses because they wanted excuses. yardwork 15 hrs ago #34

Bingo! PortTack 14 hrs ago #57

This is true also but the average IQ is 100 - not very high. kerry-is-my-prez 16 hrs ago #25

Nothing to say except K&R mountain grammy 16 hrs ago #12

Fox, Joe Rogan, etc put out what people want Kaleva 16 hrs ago #13

Bingo. I have quoted Terry Pratchett a number of times. love_katz 14 hrs ago #62

I 100% agree. Kaleva 12 hrs ago #69

It was a bad idea for Dems to go after Rogan womanofthehills 8 hrs ago #93

An Interesting perspective! Kaleva 6 hrs ago #99

ostrich head in sand analysis. WarGamer 16 hrs ago #14

And I will continue to disagree every time. yardwork 15 hrs ago #36

I agree with you BUT we have to deal with what we've got... WarGamer 15 hrs ago #42

Agreed. How do we compete? yardwork 15 hrs ago #44

What did Obama do? WarGamer 14 hrs ago #47

I hope you're right. A lot has changed in 10 years, though. yardwork 13 hrs ago #67

Most of the media Katcat 16 hrs ago #15

I fully agree.. Escape 16 hrs ago #18

People live for conspiracy theories. kerry-is-my-prez 16 hrs ago #26

Most of the voters know exactly who and what Trump is. Irish_Dem 16 hrs ago #19

I've been saying this since the day after the election. The right wing media's lies, disinformation, and misinformation Martin68 16 hrs ago #20

Precisely. It's an epidemic. Mr. Mustard 2023 16 hrs ago #21

Bingo Sugarcoated 16 hrs ago #22

Media is a lesser portion - Nigrum Cattus 16 hrs ago #27

Agreed, and the MSM, Cable, press etc. are/were complicit as they didn't clearly... brush 15 hrs ago #29

This take is dated. The difference maker was social media manipulation JCMach1 15 hrs ago #35

Dems will never truly win as long as the reich-wing noise machine exists hurple 15 hrs ago #40

Yep -- THIS is the BIGGEST REASON Martin Eden 15 hrs ago #43

Well, poor messaging has been screamed since 2015 to no avail. NT. SayItLoud 14 hrs ago #46

MAGA has a better amplification network and they spent 20 years developing it, it doesn't matter if Trump wears a narrow uponit7771 14 hrs ago #52

Trump didn't win. Harris lost leftstreet 14 hrs ago #48

No doubt Tweedy 14 hrs ago #51

Exactly! Tesha 14 hrs ago #53

Just nowforever 14 hrs ago #54

All for the money Quanto Magnus 14 hrs ago #56

There's also an unspoken war on education. SleeplessinSoCal 14 hrs ago #58

Look at that crazy psycho fuckhead in Oklahoma. Initech 11 hrs ago #73

I'm afraid we're not up to the fight needed against the SleeplessinSoCal 9 hrs ago #84

We'd better. The fate of the world is at stake. Initech 8 hrs ago #89

I'm old enough to remember when Karl Rove said. "We create our own reality." But I'm not sure our path should include,, surfered 14 hrs ago #61

Democracy Drowns in Disinformation IronLionZion 14 hrs ago #64

We need our own media ecosystem, and we need to *support* it. Until then... keep_left 14 hrs ago #65

Left talk radio / alternative media won't work because Democrats don't believe there is a grand conspiracy to hide the.. Fish700 11 hrs ago #77

It has worked, and continues to work at MSNBC, Mike Malloy, Democracy Now, KTNF in MN, etc. keep_left 11 hrs ago #79

To get people to fucking listen, will need to be entertaining FIRST. Few will tune in to hear someone read the newspaper SoFlaBro 7 hrs ago #98

Yeah we just need to start telling the truth. Initech 8 hrs ago #90

The working class is not the same as the working poor. One of those is never talked about. Autumn 11 hrs ago #71

Important. elleng 8 hrs ago #92

The real answer: IT WAS SPITE. And malice. Initech 11 hrs ago #72

Economy Avalon Sparks 11 hrs ago #74

It's everything discussed here, and more LilElf70 11 hrs ago #76

Nexus: a book to recommend Godot51 10 hrs ago #81

yup krkaufman 10 hrs ago #82

ALSO roomtomove 9 hrs ago #85

Yes, conservative control of news and successful voter suppression. Voter suppression isn't mentioned in the, why ShazamIam 8 hrs ago #86

Exactly. Rs weren't brainwashed in a vacuum, it was years of Fox and rw media pounding propaganda into their heads. Pepsidog 8 hrs ago #88

by Michael John Tomasky elleng 8 hrs ago #91

We understand. Dem leadership does not. GregGilman 4 hrs ago #100

Yes. And the task escalated from defeating a candidate to defeating Russian, Chinese, Iranian and far right disinfo mahina 4 hrs ago #101