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Tom Rinaldo

(23,102 posts)
27. We need to weigh decisions with our eyes open
Wed May 14, 2025, 11:08 AM
Yesterday

Many factors determine whether someone is or is not electable as President. Pete aces many of them, absolutely, Potentially he is electable. Whether he is likely to be elected is a different standard however. And that standard too needs to be honestly evaluated. The stakes are incredibly high.

Here is a relevant hypothetical for you. In 2028 how likely do you think it would be for the American electorate to elect a brilliant, likable, qualified, openly trans woman as President were one to run? I would say it would be extremely unlikely, even if the chances might otherwise be good for a strong generic Democratic candidate to win.

The same question could have been and indeed was raised in 2008 when Obama ran and won. That time it was; would the American electorate elect a brilliant, likable, qualified African American as President? For some voters I believe that Obama being Black was an advantage for them when they considered him. However I believe that Obama being Black was a disadvantage for more voters than it was an advantage. Still, he won. It IS possible for a great candidate to overcome a disadvantage. However, I believe had Obama literally identified himself with being a devout Muslim rather than as a practicing Christian, he would not have become president. Not in 2008.

We can't allow ourselves to be dictated to by prejudices. But we also can't afford to allow another horrific person be elected in 2028 who would destroy what is left of our democracy. Much as it shames me to admit it, the American electorate is closely divided. It likely won't take that much in either direction to sway the 2028 election one way or the other. I would not support either a Muslim, or an avowed Atheist for President in 2028, because I believe being either would doom their chances to win that year. That might not be the case in 2032, or 2036, depending on the make up of the electorate at that time.

Granted, I find it unlikely in the foreseeable future that it would be advantageous for a Presidential candidate to be Muslim, or Trans, but perhaps it will reach the point that, like with Obama in 2008, such a "disadvantage" can still be overcome.

If the stakes were a little bit less high, or if the perceived disadvantage a gay man might face attempting to win a presidential election were a little less daunting, I could easily support Pete for President in 2008. The way it stands, the way i see it, right now I can not.

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anyday markie Yesterday #1
This is a bit contrary bucolic_frolic Yesterday #2
Pete 2028! sop Yesterday #3
Sadly, unless something significant changes at the DNC... Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #4
Hmm, I don't know about that. lark Yesterday #9
He would indeed be a great candidate Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #18
Party leaders will back the most popular candidate and that could be him. lark Yesterday #23
Probably a straight white Christian man SocialDemocrat61 Yesterday #11
Yep. Dulcinea Yesterday #55
I do to SocialDemocrat61 Yesterday #56
What does the DNC have to do with this ? How will the DNC prevent Buttigieg from running ? JI7 Yesterday #13
They won't prevent him from running Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #19
How ? JI7 Yesterday #35
Probably similar to past primaries Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #40
These are conspiracy theories. And Pete Buttigieg actually won the Iowa caucus in 2020. JI7 Yesterday #46
Beshear. Meadowoak Yesterday #15
We just had a woman of color nominated last year HereForTheParty Yesterday #24
That was an unusual situation, as the person who effectively won the nomination dropped out Polybius Yesterday #45
Message auto-removed Name removed 23 hrs ago #58
The Democratic voters will decide who our presidential nominee will be. W_HAMILTON Yesterday #31
Sadly, unless something significant changes psyche of the broad American electorate nt .... anamnua Yesterday #47
Chump's bigotry on full display tulipsandroses Yesterday #5
I love Pete! Johnny2X2X Yesterday #6
Ah, yes, "The country is not ready" argument. Bohunk68 Yesterday #12
Winning is all that matters, period Johnny2X2X Yesterday #14
Thank you for saying this bcbink Yesterday #17
Here's more on my thought process Johnny2X2X Yesterday #22
How in Rebl2 Yesterday #25
I have the same question. CrispyQ Yesterday #30
Well, the two times we had a woman Bettie Yesterday #16
This is sad . . . Scubamatt Yesterday #57
We need to weigh decisions with our eyes open Tom Rinaldo Yesterday #27
Sad, but true. Many Americans just vote their bigotry rather than using their minds Attilatheblond Yesterday #34
I'd love to see him run JustAnotherGen Yesterday #7
I hope he follows through with this. He would be my first choice as a candidate. lark Yesterday #8
Would love to see him in the White House SocialDemocrat61 Yesterday #10
Forget about it, Pete. valleyrogue Yesterday #20
Who is your choice? TIA Celerity Yesterday #28
Agree. He will never be president. BannonsLiver Yesterday #33
I think he would be great, but I don't think Emile Yesterday #36
If Democrats want another electoral suicide dalton99a Yesterday #21
Pete is who I'm voting for pinkstarburst Yesterday #26
So many above are saying that it would be nice, BUT Bohunk68 7 hrs ago #59
I think Pete is inspirational pinkstarburst 6 hrs ago #60
Love Buttigieg! peggysue2 Yesterday #29
It is beyond early JBTaurus83 Yesterday #32
I'd vote for Pete EndlessWire Yesterday #43
I sure hope he gives it a shot, as well as other contenders too. That's why I like primaries, and the whole works SWBTATTReg Yesterday #37
Idiot, immature America won't vote for a gay man. BlueTsunami2018 Yesterday #38
He might do better as a VP candidate bif Yesterday #39
Half of the country thinks homosexuality is a sin awesomerwb1 Yesterday #41
I'd vote for him in a heartbeat! Callalily Yesterday #42
Pete is risking becoming a serial candidate Mountainguy Yesterday #44
Bessent Starbeach Yesterday #48
Pete is a brilliant man, but I fear he'd lose the swing states DenaliDemocrat Yesterday #49
I imagine he will have a lot of competition in the primaries. Ping Tung Yesterday #50
I love Pete and supported him last time around. Unfortunately, at this point I don't know if he can win being Vinca Yesterday #51
GOOD! Hed get my vote! nt CousinIT Yesterday #52
And he will lose again do to the same assholes that won't helpisontheway Yesterday #53
GREAT news, for WE the People! NO ONE smarter!!! elleng Yesterday #54
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