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16. The squad or the progressive caucus wanted Biden to stay in the race

Wed Jul 16, 2025, 02:00 PM

Jul 16

It was moderate House Dems that wanted Biden to drop out because they were worried about losing their house seats.

There was that divide & conquer BBB & BIF but moderates were just as bad like Manchin & Sinema who only wanted the BIF but they whittled down the BBB down to the Inflation Reduction Act. I don't think it helped the Dems win in 2024 mainly because they called the legislation "bipartisan" so Republicans got equal credit for that one. Don't worry that was used to unseat Progressives in safe blue districts who were accused ironically of not being loyal enough to Biden.

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Hunter Biden says Democrats lost election because they weren't loyal to his father [View all] GJGCA Jul 16 OP

He needs to sit this one out. FFS. themaguffin Jul 16 #1

Yep customerserviceguy Jul 16 #2

What damage would that be? Bev54 Jul 16 #36

I agree PatSeg Jul 16 #46

+++++ emulatorloo Jul 16 #64

Hunter's legal problems customerserviceguy Jul 16 #70

Lie: "... he got into those problems all on his own ..." and spurious speculation at best .... live love laugh Jul 16 #84

I don't think customerserviceguy Jul 16 #90

If scandal plagued felon rapist Trump can speak any fucking body can speak. live love laugh Jul 16 #91

Well be grateful you have not had anybody Bev54 Jul 16 #96

My significant other customerserviceguy Jul 17 #128

His addiction has nothing to do with Biden's presidency Bev54 Jul 17 #132

I disagree customerserviceguy Jul 17 #133

So those other voices are allowed to be heard as well Bev54 Jul 18 #134

I'm not telling anyone not to speak customerserviceguy Jul 18 #135

What damage? Minding his own business. jrthin Jul 16 #67

See my post above customerserviceguy Jul 16 #72

No he doesn't. He's right. The fact that people want to silence him is exactly the point of his message. live love laugh Jul 16 #47

No, he's wrong, his statement is exactly why he is wrong. He was part of the problem. He should have NEVER been an... themaguffin Jul 16 #59

Was he ever an advisor? I don't think so.. mountain grammy Jul 16 #71

Sadly enough, it appears Joe was taking advice from Hunter fujiyamasan Jul 16 #93

Specifically Hunter's advice? And if so only when he was considering stepping down? live love laugh Jul 17 #120

Who/what are you even talking about? What advisor? What decision making process? live love laugh Jul 16 #85

I'm referring to reporting of his input during Biden's tenure. He should have been nowhere near the WH. themaguffin Jul 17 #117

Couldn't agree more.... democratsruletheday Jul 16 #56

I agree with everything you stated! lucca18 Jul 16 #65

I respectfully disagree, in fact I couldn't disagree more.. mountain grammy Jul 16 #74

JOE BIDEN NEVER promised he would not run for re-election. EVER. Jack Valentino Jul 16 #98

I doubt truth ever really hurts, Torchlight Jul 17 #112

Hard truths. BannonsLiver Jul 17 #125

Yeah well, he's not wrong though. emulatorloo Jul 16 #60

He's incredibly wrong, selfish and oblivious for making the statements. themaguffin Jul 16 #62

That's yr opinion and you're entitled to it. emulatorloo Jul 16 #63

He's not wrong you are. live love laugh Jul 16 #86

No, that's your opinion, and not a fact fujiyamasan Jul 16 #94

Indeed. choie Jul 16 #92

I find myself in agreement. While I fully supported Harris, donating $, voting etc Sibelius Fan Jul 16 #3

Yeah Johonny Jul 16 #6

He should've only run for one term awesomerwb1 Jul 16 #14

Shoulda coulda ... 🙄 live love laugh Jul 16 #48

Yes. Dem stalwarts like my own Mark Pocan asked AllyCat Jul 16 #43

There were quite a few who surprised and PatSeg Jul 16 #49

What Biden loyalists? fujiyamasan Jul 16 #97

Sadly delusional..and costly beyond belief. tman Jul 16 #4

anyone remember that first debate? samsingh Jul 16 #5

you mean the one when trump lied a hundred times? mountain grammy Jul 16 #10

I remember Biden "walking" on stage and my heart sinking. Everything that happened after that was irrelevant. themaguffin Jul 16 #13

a thousand times. perhaps they could have been called out louder and clearer samsingh Jul 16 #22

Trump DENVERPOPS Jul 16 #35

You are exactly correct and I did look it up mountain grammy Jul 16 #69

The Saddest thing is, MG, DENVERPOPS Jul 17 #124

totally agree! mountain grammy Jul 17 #127

My favorite saying: DENVERPOPS Jul 17 #130

So he went with the same thing he's done? EdmondDantes_ Jul 16 #95

Trump has lied a million time in every debate he's been in fujiyamasan Jul 16 #99

The first debate is the reason there wasn't a second debate Jose Garcia Jul 17 #129

He is Absolutely CORRECT!!!! getagrip_already Jul 16 #7

"Coddled the propals"... AloeVera Jul 16 #15

I mean RADICAL supporters of terrorists..... getagrip_already Jul 17 #115

The squad or the progressive caucus wanted Biden to stay in the race AZProgressive Jul 16 #16

AOC was one of the last holdouts for Biden LiberalLovinLug Jul 16 #37

We didn't force Biden to run for a second term, or to "coddle" Netanyahu. thought crime Jul 16 #52

Well "coddling" Netanyahu had better results than whatever you want to call trump's current "plan" krawhitham Jul 16 #78

Lol. Pelosi is a member of the squad now? Hassin Bin Sober Jul 17 #118

While he may not be the greatest messenger for this dsc Jul 16 #8

Lawrence O'Donnell covered this issue night after night PatSeg Jul 16 #50

Well said. Joinfortmill Jul 16 #103

I agree JustAnotherGen Jul 16 #9

I don't need to hear Monday morning quarterbacking from Hunter Ritabert Jul 16 #11

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 17 #110

Let's call this what it is, self-serving nonsense. tritsofme Jul 16 #12

exactly samsingh Jul 16 #24

My loyalty was to bite my tongue, defer to Joe's decisions, and focus fire on KRASNOV. UTUSN Jul 16 #17

No matter what you might think of Hunter, on this point I think he is correct. Stinky The Clown Jul 16 #18

so you think after the 1st debate, voters would have rallied around us? samsingh Jul 16 #25

No, we don't have to believe this self serving revisionist nonsense from him fujiyamasan Jul 16 #100

Who cares? PJMcK Jul 16 #19

That would all be true if it weren't for Joe's disastrous debate performance. Sogo Jul 16 #20

No, it wasn't THAT bad. The media blew it ALL OUT OF PROPORTION and clearly wanted Joe out. They did not like Joe. LymphocyteLover Jul 16 #31

GOP ads would have played "we finally beat Medicare" over and over Shrek Jul 16 #66

Why? That phrase doesn't mean anything by itself and it's not like Biden cut medicaid. LymphocyteLover Jul 17 #113

"That phrase doesn't mean anything by itself" -- exactly my point Shrek Jul 17 #116

you could literally take a million nonsensical things trump said and make a commercial out of it. Doesn't mean it would LymphocyteLover Jul 17 #131

I watched it. It was that bad.... Sogo Jul 17 #121

Lots of tv focus groups said he won. People said they were reminded of how insane Trump was. emulatorloo Jul 16 #61

That's interesting. I suppose I could look it up but... JanMichael Jul 16 #68

Even if a few focus groups claimed Biden won fujiyamasan Jul 17 #109

And jet lag Kali999 Jul 17 #123

"They" who? live love laugh Jul 17 #119

As cited in the OP, Hunter Biden, Jamie Harrison, and I suspect Joe, himself. It was also reported at the time Sogo Jul 17 #122

Bad Things About Democrats. Kingofalldems Jul 16 #21

The Joe Biden who showed up for the debate... appmanga Jul 16 #23

Harris actually started consolidating support when she took over the campaign fujiyamasan Jul 16 #102

I agree to a point. Really it was the corporate media who destroyed Biden and who clearly wanted Trump LymphocyteLover Jul 16 #26

Hear, hear!!!!, BigmanPigman Jul 16 #104

Thank you. For all the gnashing of teeth about Dems not running a perfect campaign, and Biden being old, LymphocyteLover Jul 17 #111

Yeah, that's the ticket Fiendish Thingy Jul 16 #27

I'm sure it is heartfelt, but it isn't helpful...nt Wounded Bear Jul 16 #28

Standing by his Dad. KentuckyWoman Jul 16 #29

Indeed, Dems lost because of loyalty issues Fiendish Thingy Jul 16 #30

I mostly agree with him flamingdem Jul 16 #32

I agree larwdem Jul 16 #33

I completely disagree with Hunter. Gingermolly Jul 16 #34

I partially agree with Hunter.. Escape Jul 16 #38

The Less Heard RobinA Jul 16 #39

It was the votes. twodogsbarking Jul 16 #40

He's not wrong mcar Jul 16 #41

Exactly PatSeg Jul 16 #51

Biden was one of the Democrats who was not bragging enough. thought crime Jul 16 #53

He's not wrong. W_HAMILTON Jul 16 #42

Did he account for all the help he provided? madville Jul 16 #44

He's absolutely wrong. He was part of the problem. FFS. themaguffin Jul 16 #45

Not being "loyal" to a politician is the most patriotic thing a citizen can do. tman Jul 16 #54

Seems everybody knows exactly why we lost Torchlight Jul 16 #55

I'm glad your dad pardoned you but ecstatic Jul 16 #57

Says the guy who damaged his father for years. Melon Jul 16 #58

He would have lost and the hand wringers would have said we should have gone with Harris. nt Blasphemer Jul 16 #73

He's right krawhitham Jul 16 #75

Staying in till July 21 after the Disastrous debate Tribetime Jul 16 #76

He may be right, we will never know. CentralMass Jul 16 #77

Meh, I'll cut him some slack on this. I don't agree, but it's his dad he's talking about. Ocelot II Jul 16 #79

"We had the advantage of incumbency. We had advantage of an incredibly successful administration elleng Jul 16 #80

Election anomalies Honey25 Jul 16 #81

I remember thinking during the debate.... kentuck Jul 16 #82

lol WhiskeyGrinder Jul 16 #83

Best comment. Rec MerryBlooms Jul 17 #107

Well, considering MAGATS B.See Jul 16 #87

I hate to stand in the middle of a circular firing squad... markodochartaigh Jul 16 #88

Hunter is correct Bluestocking Jul 16 #89

Eh, I'll give him a pass. It was a very traumatic time for him and his family tulipsandroses Jul 16 #101

That would not have helped Justice Brandeis Jul 16 #105

Omgosh, this whole thread! 😂😂😂 MerryBlooms Jul 17 #106

Its always someone else's fault where politics are concerned 🙄 ... Raine Jul 17 #108

We lost because we were too fucking loyal. The party should have told him from the start not to run again. In It to Win It Jul 17 #114

Hunter is totally delulu. BannonsLiver Jul 17 #126