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Kali999

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123. And jet lag

Thu Jul 17, 2025, 12:00 PM

Jul 17

He should have put it off. Just going to say Divide and Conquer is old as time. I was furious about people asking him to step down. I wrote Mark Warner a scathing email from the airport. The media took him out, with the gop shivving everywhere. Mostly you cant even say what you really think even in these spaces.

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Hunter Biden says Democrats lost election because they weren't loyal to his father [View all] GJGCA Jul 16 OP

He needs to sit this one out. FFS. themaguffin Jul 16 #1

Yep customerserviceguy Jul 16 #2

What damage would that be? Bev54 Jul 16 #36

I agree PatSeg Jul 16 #46

+++++ emulatorloo Jul 16 #64

Hunter's legal problems customerserviceguy Jul 16 #70

Lie: "... he got into those problems all on his own ..." and spurious speculation at best .... live love laugh Jul 16 #84

I don't think customerserviceguy Jul 16 #90

If scandal plagued felon rapist Trump can speak any fucking body can speak. live love laugh Jul 16 #91

Well be grateful you have not had anybody Bev54 Jul 16 #96

My significant other customerserviceguy Jul 17 #128

His addiction has nothing to do with Biden's presidency Bev54 Jul 17 #132

I disagree customerserviceguy Jul 17 #133

So those other voices are allowed to be heard as well Bev54 Jul 18 #134

I'm not telling anyone not to speak customerserviceguy Jul 18 #135

What damage? Minding his own business. jrthin Jul 16 #67

See my post above customerserviceguy Jul 16 #72

No he doesn't. He's right. The fact that people want to silence him is exactly the point of his message. live love laugh Jul 16 #47

No, he's wrong, his statement is exactly why he is wrong. He was part of the problem. He should have NEVER been an... themaguffin Jul 16 #59

Was he ever an advisor? I don't think so.. mountain grammy Jul 16 #71

Sadly enough, it appears Joe was taking advice from Hunter fujiyamasan Jul 16 #93

Specifically Hunter's advice? And if so only when he was considering stepping down? live love laugh Jul 17 #120

Who/what are you even talking about? What advisor? What decision making process? live love laugh Jul 16 #85

I'm referring to reporting of his input during Biden's tenure. He should have been nowhere near the WH. themaguffin Jul 17 #117

Couldn't agree more.... democratsruletheday Jul 16 #56

I agree with everything you stated! lucca18 Jul 16 #65

I respectfully disagree, in fact I couldn't disagree more.. mountain grammy Jul 16 #74

JOE BIDEN NEVER promised he would not run for re-election. EVER. Jack Valentino Jul 16 #98

I doubt truth ever really hurts, Torchlight Jul 17 #112

Hard truths. BannonsLiver Jul 17 #125

Yeah well, he's not wrong though. emulatorloo Jul 16 #60

He's incredibly wrong, selfish and oblivious for making the statements. themaguffin Jul 16 #62

That's yr opinion and you're entitled to it. emulatorloo Jul 16 #63

He's not wrong you are. live love laugh Jul 16 #86

No, that's your opinion, and not a fact fujiyamasan Jul 16 #94

Indeed. choie Jul 16 #92

I find myself in agreement. While I fully supported Harris, donating $, voting etc Sibelius Fan Jul 16 #3

Yeah Johonny Jul 16 #6

He should've only run for one term awesomerwb1 Jul 16 #14

Shoulda coulda ... 🙄 live love laugh Jul 16 #48

Yes. Dem stalwarts like my own Mark Pocan asked AllyCat Jul 16 #43

There were quite a few who surprised and PatSeg Jul 16 #49

What Biden loyalists? fujiyamasan Jul 16 #97

Sadly delusional..and costly beyond belief. tman Jul 16 #4

anyone remember that first debate? samsingh Jul 16 #5

you mean the one when trump lied a hundred times? mountain grammy Jul 16 #10

I remember Biden "walking" on stage and my heart sinking. Everything that happened after that was irrelevant. themaguffin Jul 16 #13

a thousand times. perhaps they could have been called out louder and clearer samsingh Jul 16 #22

Trump DENVERPOPS Jul 16 #35

You are exactly correct and I did look it up mountain grammy Jul 16 #69

The Saddest thing is, MG, DENVERPOPS Jul 17 #124

totally agree! mountain grammy Jul 17 #127

My favorite saying: DENVERPOPS Jul 17 #130

So he went with the same thing he's done? EdmondDantes_ Jul 16 #95

Trump has lied a million time in every debate he's been in fujiyamasan Jul 16 #99

The first debate is the reason there wasn't a second debate Jose Garcia Jul 17 #129

He is Absolutely CORRECT!!!! getagrip_already Jul 16 #7

"Coddled the propals"... AloeVera Jul 16 #15

I mean RADICAL supporters of terrorists..... getagrip_already Jul 17 #115

The squad or the progressive caucus wanted Biden to stay in the race AZProgressive Jul 16 #16

AOC was one of the last holdouts for Biden LiberalLovinLug Jul 16 #37

We didn't force Biden to run for a second term, or to "coddle" Netanyahu. thought crime Jul 16 #52

Well "coddling" Netanyahu had better results than whatever you want to call trump's current "plan" krawhitham Jul 16 #78

Lol. Pelosi is a member of the squad now? Hassin Bin Sober Jul 17 #118

While he may not be the greatest messenger for this dsc Jul 16 #8

Lawrence O'Donnell covered this issue night after night PatSeg Jul 16 #50

Well said. Joinfortmill Jul 16 #103

I agree JustAnotherGen Jul 16 #9

I don't need to hear Monday morning quarterbacking from Hunter Ritabert Jul 16 #11

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 17 #110

Let's call this what it is, self-serving nonsense. tritsofme Jul 16 #12

exactly samsingh Jul 16 #24

My loyalty was to bite my tongue, defer to Joe's decisions, and focus fire on KRASNOV. UTUSN Jul 16 #17

No matter what you might think of Hunter, on this point I think he is correct. Stinky The Clown Jul 16 #18

so you think after the 1st debate, voters would have rallied around us? samsingh Jul 16 #25

No, we don't have to believe this self serving revisionist nonsense from him fujiyamasan Jul 16 #100

Who cares? PJMcK Jul 16 #19

That would all be true if it weren't for Joe's disastrous debate performance. Sogo Jul 16 #20

No, it wasn't THAT bad. The media blew it ALL OUT OF PROPORTION and clearly wanted Joe out. They did not like Joe. LymphocyteLover Jul 16 #31

GOP ads would have played "we finally beat Medicare" over and over Shrek Jul 16 #66

Why? That phrase doesn't mean anything by itself and it's not like Biden cut medicaid. LymphocyteLover Jul 17 #113

"That phrase doesn't mean anything by itself" -- exactly my point Shrek Jul 17 #116

you could literally take a million nonsensical things trump said and make a commercial out of it. Doesn't mean it would LymphocyteLover Jul 17 #131

I watched it. It was that bad.... Sogo Jul 17 #121

Lots of tv focus groups said he won. People said they were reminded of how insane Trump was. emulatorloo Jul 16 #61

That's interesting. I suppose I could look it up but... JanMichael Jul 16 #68

Even if a few focus groups claimed Biden won fujiyamasan Jul 17 #109

And jet lag Kali999 Jul 17 #123

"They" who? live love laugh Jul 17 #119

As cited in the OP, Hunter Biden, Jamie Harrison, and I suspect Joe, himself. It was also reported at the time Sogo Jul 17 #122

Bad Things About Democrats. Kingofalldems Jul 16 #21

The Joe Biden who showed up for the debate... appmanga Jul 16 #23

Harris actually started consolidating support when she took over the campaign fujiyamasan Jul 16 #102

I agree to a point. Really it was the corporate media who destroyed Biden and who clearly wanted Trump LymphocyteLover Jul 16 #26

Hear, hear!!!!, BigmanPigman Jul 16 #104

Thank you. For all the gnashing of teeth about Dems not running a perfect campaign, and Biden being old, LymphocyteLover Jul 17 #111

Yeah, that's the ticket Fiendish Thingy Jul 16 #27

I'm sure it is heartfelt, but it isn't helpful...nt Wounded Bear Jul 16 #28

Standing by his Dad. KentuckyWoman Jul 16 #29

Indeed, Dems lost because of loyalty issues Fiendish Thingy Jul 16 #30

I mostly agree with him flamingdem Jul 16 #32

I agree larwdem Jul 16 #33

I completely disagree with Hunter. Gingermolly Jul 16 #34

I partially agree with Hunter.. Escape Jul 16 #38

The Less Heard RobinA Jul 16 #39

It was the votes. twodogsbarking Jul 16 #40

He's not wrong mcar Jul 16 #41

Exactly PatSeg Jul 16 #51

Biden was one of the Democrats who was not bragging enough. thought crime Jul 16 #53

He's not wrong. W_HAMILTON Jul 16 #42

Did he account for all the help he provided? madville Jul 16 #44

He's absolutely wrong. He was part of the problem. FFS. themaguffin Jul 16 #45

Not being "loyal" to a politician is the most patriotic thing a citizen can do. tman Jul 16 #54

Seems everybody knows exactly why we lost Torchlight Jul 16 #55

I'm glad your dad pardoned you but ecstatic Jul 16 #57

Says the guy who damaged his father for years. Melon Jul 16 #58

He would have lost and the hand wringers would have said we should have gone with Harris. nt Blasphemer Jul 16 #73

He's right krawhitham Jul 16 #75

Staying in till July 21 after the Disastrous debate Tribetime Jul 16 #76

He may be right, we will never know. CentralMass Jul 16 #77

Meh, I'll cut him some slack on this. I don't agree, but it's his dad he's talking about. Ocelot II Jul 16 #79

"We had the advantage of incumbency. We had advantage of an incredibly successful administration elleng Jul 16 #80

Election anomalies Honey25 Jul 16 #81

I remember thinking during the debate.... kentuck Jul 16 #82

lol WhiskeyGrinder Jul 16 #83

Best comment. Rec MerryBlooms Jul 17 #107

Well, considering MAGATS B.See Jul 16 #87

I hate to stand in the middle of a circular firing squad... markodochartaigh Jul 16 #88

Hunter is correct Bluestocking Jul 16 #89

Eh, I'll give him a pass. It was a very traumatic time for him and his family tulipsandroses Jul 16 #101

That would not have helped Justice Brandeis Jul 16 #105

Omgosh, this whole thread! 😂😂😂 MerryBlooms Jul 17 #106

Its always someone else's fault where politics are concerned 🙄 ... Raine Jul 17 #108

We lost because we were too fucking loyal. The party should have told him from the start not to run again. In It to Win It Jul 17 #114

Hunter is totally delulu. BannonsLiver Jul 17 #126