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Ms. Toad

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8. The legal question is the interpretation of the 14th amendment.

Reply to Ocelot II (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 29, 2025, 10:21 PM

Jul 29

Trump's contention is that people who are in the US illegally are not "subject to the jurisdiction thereof," so they aren't citizens under the 14th amendment - unless their parent's status (citizenship or some other status) makes them subject to the jurisdiction of the US

I think it is ludicrous interpretation. If they aren't subject to the jurisdiction of the US, then there is no basis to hold them to the laws of this country (either for criminal matters or deportation). But that is the contention.

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Parents may need to prove citizenship for US-born babies' documents [View all] Peacetrain Jul 29 OP

This is totally insane. Dave Bowman Jul 29 #1

Just add it to the list of totally insane things. Nothing to see here NoRethugFriends Jul 29 #2

So American-born kids, who are US citizens per the 14th Amendment, Ocelot II Jul 29 #3

Just mind boggling isn't it??... Peacetrain Jul 29 #4

The legal question is the interpretation of the 14th amendment. Ms. Toad Jul 29 #8

Yeah, it's a bogus argument but it's all they've got. Ocelot II Jul 29 #11

Sadly, all too true markie Jul 29 #5

The executive order is stayed, pursuant to multiple class action suits. Ms. Toad Jul 29 #7

No. New parents have to prove that at least one of them is a citizen - Ms. Toad Jul 29 #6

I cannot believe that this is even a subject to have a discussion about... Peacetrain Jul 29 #9

Unfortunately, the phrase in question hasn't been interpreted yet, at least in the context of birthright citizenship. Ms. Toad Jul 29 #10

From your lips to Gods ears as my old Dad used to say Peacetrain Jul 29 #12

They will. LoisB Jul 30 #13

Slippery slope if they don't shut this down. LoisB Jul 30 #14

My mom came from Sweden to America at 7. BadgerMom Jul 30 #15

Oh but it gets even worse... Christian255 Jul 30 #16

Donald Trump is crossing lines that would make Kim Jong Un blush. Initech Jul 30 #17