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Ms. Toad

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26. The plans conform to the executive order.

Thu Jul 31, 2025, 11:26 PM

Jul 31

As to the plans released, and the executive order, neither have anything to do with any child born before 2/20/2025.

The EO was drafted very carefully to have the best chance of succeeding in getting the ludicrous proposition through the Supreme Court. It relies on a phrase that has not yet been interpreted (so there isn't any stare decisis to worry about). It only applies going forward (so it doesn't raise implementation problems arising out of grandparents, great-grandparents, etc. potentially not being citizens. It excludes a very limited number of people - those with the most tenuous connection to the United States. Because far better legal minds than Trump drafted it (and the implementing orders) with the goal of actually being upheld, they aren't going to widen it unless they win at the Supreme Court.

Every formal explanation as stayed very close to the original EO.

Yet people repeatedly - despite it being explained several times for each iteration - keep suggesting that the executive order destroys citizenship for nearly everyone - or that Melania and Barron will need to be deported, etc. That crap is not Trump's responses - it is stuff people on our side - who haven't actually read the executive order - are saying. And it's not helpful.

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Trump Just Released His Plan to Revoke Birthright Citizenship. It's Worse Than Imagined. [View all] sheshe2 Jul 31 OP

Does this mean that Melodrama and Barron will move to Slovenia? greatauntoftriplets Jul 31 #1

As has been explained numerous times - Ms. Toad Jul 31 #5

And as we have seen, he changes his mind every other day. sheshe2 Jul 31 #18

The plans conform to the executive order. Ms. Toad Jul 31 #26

Trump never keeps his word snowybirdie Aug 1 #52

This isn't about Trump keeping his word. Ms. Toad Aug 1 #57

This is about Trump operating by Chaos Doctrine and Shock Doctrine & getting away with it Hekate Aug 1 #65

The Executive Order on birthright citizenship is different. Ms. Toad Aug 1 #68

Was written by the authors of Project 2025. orangecrush Aug 1 #84

Yup. Ms. Toad Aug 1 #85

How can the Constitution be changed by executive order when an amendment is required for changes? wnylib Aug 1 #67

The executive order does not change the constitution. Ms. Toad Aug 1 #72

But, the children born in this country are subject to its jurisdiction, as are their parents, whether documented or not. wnylib Aug 5 #86

I agree. Ms. Toad Aug 5 #87

Plus; Trump already being a citizen would fit the "new" standard Callie1979 Aug 1 #77

More to the point . . . Ms. Toad Aug 1 #80

Ah yes, the 'ol "Get THOSE people, not OUR people". nt Callie1979 Aug 1 #81

What's the significance of the date 20 Feb 2025? Farmer-Rick Aug 1 #78

The executive order designated 30 days from the signing date of the order Ms. Toad Aug 1 #79

Thanks, I was wondering Farmer-Rick Aug 1 #83

Oh, but there will be exceptions shanti Jul 31 #30

I wish! sheshe2 Aug 1 #42

White people are exempt from all laws Johonny Aug 1 #48

How about Rebl2 Aug 1 #56

No, because they're white. MaineBlueBear Aug 1 #63

Iceberg Trump consistently tries to get in the way of Titanic America. chouchou Jul 31 #2

Sound arbitrary - harumph Jul 31 #3

Read the executive order, Ms. Toad Jul 31 #6

Thanks harumph Jul 31 #8

I hope they will see now nonsensical Trump's argument is. Ms. Toad Jul 31 #9

Seriously? sheshe2 Aug 1 #44

There have been a number of instances in which they have not agreed with Trump. Ms. Toad Aug 1 #61

Oh I hope that stands. summer_in_TX Jul 31 #25

Your daughter-in-law will be fine. Ms. Toad Jul 31 #31

Thank you, Ms. Toad! summer_in_TX Aug 1 #38

Do you see the SC splitting the difference fujiyamasan Aug 1 #39

This is the language describing the group of individuals not granted citizenship Ms. Toad Aug 1 #60

Also, ex post facto laws are expressly forbidden by the United States Constitution in Article 1, Section 9, Clause 3 Celerity Aug 1 #46

Good thought - Ms. Toad Aug 1 #59

You do not know Hornedfrog2000 Aug 1 #49

As to this order, yes I do know. Ms. Toad Aug 1 #58

Why Feb 20, 2025? Why not the day it was signed? Is 2/20 the date Heritage Foundation wrote it? LiberalArkie Aug 1 #70

Again, read the executive order. Ms. Toad Aug 1 #71

Ok, I was thinking that today was the date of the order. LiberalArkie Aug 1 #74

Nope - Ms. Toad Aug 1 #76

The answer my friend... sheshe2 Jul 31 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author cbabe Jul 31 #4

Linking to a debunked meme - Ms. Toad Jul 31 #35

Does that mean that his 4 children born of immigrants can also be stripped of birthright citizenship? kimbutgar Jul 31 #7

No. Ms. Toad Jul 31 #33

They will be drawn and quartered on Truth Social LastLiberal in PalmSprings Aug 1 #82

Trump and his MAGAS strip people of B.See Jul 31 #10

This right here. sheshe2 Jul 31 #12

Once denying birthright citizenship becomes acceptable, even if it's only for those born after a certain date, sop Jul 31 #17

Changing the date AND B.See Jul 31 #21

Ex post facto laws are expressly forbidden by the United States Constitution in Article 1, Section 9, Clause 3 (with Celerity Aug 1 #47

" inherit the status of their parents" DBoon Jul 31 #11

Waiting to rip them from the delivery room. nt moniss Jul 31 #13

I can only hope we have something similar JMCKUSICK Jul 31 #14

Crimes against humanity! FuzzyRabbit Jul 31 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author FuzzyRabbit Aug 1 #37

We will now see how far the S. Court Nigrum Cattus Jul 31 #15

The only thing that needs to be removed are these shitheads from the White House. Initech Jul 31 #16

Now immigrants won't even go to tbe hospital Figarosmom Jul 31 #20

Cue The Handmaid's Tale. BattleRow Aug 1 #55

Looks like that time has come. calimary Aug 1 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 31 #22

I wish he'd go back to hell and leave the fuck alone. rickyhall Jul 31 #23

My daughter-in-law's parents were not citizens when they had her although she was born here. summer_in_TX Jul 31 #24

still unfucking constitutional. pansypoo53219 Jul 31 #27

trump wipes his ass with the Constitution, Bayard Jul 31 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author Bayard Jul 31 #29

Parents who "...lack permanent legal status...". Like Barron. Grins Jul 31 #32

TACO if he's running it uponit7771 Jul 31 #34

Trump's perfect judge... Roland Freisler Norrrm Aug 1 #40

Post removed Post removed Aug 1 #41

if he wants to revoke his OWN citizenship, I'm good with that--- Jack Valentino Aug 1 #43

Fred Trump, his father, was born in NYC on October 11th, 1905 Celerity Aug 1 #45

Yeah, they were supposed to be only deporting Hornedfrog2000 Aug 1 #50

As someone whose drmeow Aug 1 #51

This man is a monster... GiqueCee Aug 1 #53

Red states will now stop issuing birth certificates for babies born here to undocumented parents. Lonestarblue Aug 1 #54

The constitution can be amended, but not by Stephen Miller, dba. Trump DFW Aug 1 #62

Sickening indeed YoshidaYui Aug 1 #64

it's unspeakably evil LymphocyteLover Aug 1 #66

Clearly Unconstitutional. cstanleytech Aug 1 #69

ICE at the delivery room door. North Coast Lawyer Aug 1 #75

What if the father is unknown? Kablooie Aug 13 #88