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milestogo

(21,620 posts) Fri Aug 1, 2025, 10:41 AM Aug 1

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If the Democrats actually won the presidential elections in 2016 and 2024 [View all]

then all this angst about finding a better candidate is for nothing. All this navel gazing is just stupid.

We need to focus on fighting for fair elections because NOTHING ELSE MATTERS if our votes are going into the crapper.

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If the Democrats actually won the presidential elections in 2016 and 2024 [View all] milestogo Aug 1 OP

Part 3 Eliot Rosewater Aug 1 #1

Titus is one of the best politcal podcasters on Youtube! Initech Aug 1 #43

Thank you, several hours of cyber security expert guy explaining Eliot Rosewater Aug 1 #46

What does an absolute near impossibility mean? MichMan Aug 1 #56

Here is the forensic analysis of PA angryxyouth Aug 1 #73

Musk spent a month there prior to the election according to Trump. live love laugh Aug 2 #79

Absolutely. I ignore all the navel gazing tinrobot Aug 1 #2

I hope we learned that not voting after Bernie lost the primary in 2016 and Palestine protest walkingman Aug 1 #5

Speaking of Gore, we also learned that we darn well better Susan Calvin Aug 1 #11

One thing Gore did wrong TnDem Aug 1 #75

She got 7 million more than T in 2016 IbogaProject Aug 1 #19

Hillary did not get 7 million more votes than Trump in 2016. She won the popular vote by around 2.87 million. Celerity Aug 1 #62

Ok the totals closened up from the initial post election numbers IbogaProject Aug 4 #88

It got closer, BUT in Clinton's favour, as the CA totals finally came in. She was never 7 million up in the popular vote Celerity Aug 4 #89

OK thanks for correcting misinformation IbogaProject Aug 4 #91

All good! Celerity Aug 4 #92

And if, as those of us in the reality based community know, Dems indeed lost in 2016 and 2024? Fiendish Thingy Aug 1 #3

America is too masyganistic and racist. We will lose unless we run a white man. Meadowoak Aug 1 #18

Tell that to Barack Obama. thesquanderer Aug 1 #31

Trump was payback for Barack Obama. Meadowoak Aug 1 #48

And Trump did? Meadowoak Aug 1 #49

Actually yes... because there are different kinds of communication skills. thesquanderer Aug 1 #59

What the heck is "masyganistic"?? AZ8theist Aug 1 #67

I don't believe the 2024 election was stolen, but Harris was an outstanding candidate & ran an almost flawless campaign, CrispyQ Aug 1 #4

Well said! Random Boomer Aug 1 #15

There's a lot of shame to go around... especially with the saboteurs encouraging the "Uncommitted Movement" * Oopsie Daisy Aug 1 #17

I blame JustAnotherGen Aug 1 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Aug 2 #76

Harris was a great candidate, unfortunately she energized the other side. Meadowoak Aug 1 #20

Well, I DO believe that the 2024 election was stolen. OMGWTF Aug 1 #22

I firmly believe she won Iwasthere Aug 1 #64

Gee, no one voted for Lyndon LaRouch? I can't believe it! reACTIONary Aug 1 #65

Why would someone rig a handful of small precincts in a state that Harris would win easily? MichMan Aug 2 #86

Harris was such an outstanding candidate that I was 100% certain that she would crush the crazy perv. Dave Bowman Aug 1 #54

I don't believe the Harris campaign was almost flawless MichMan Aug 1 #58

There is nothing productive in embracing Trump-style election denialism and similarly delusional conspiracy theories. tritsofme Aug 1 #6

Yeah, because it only works for Republicans to do that. KPN Aug 1 #28

So you think Democratic leaders should intentionally spread false conspiracy theories to rile people up? tritsofme Aug 1 #32

No, I think they should be mnore circumspect. KPN Aug 1 #34

This actually raises an interesting question of how Democrats *should* respond to GOP messaging psyops 0rganism Aug 1 #41

Simple. OldBaldy1701E Aug 2 #80

Whatever it takes to win. We can't blow another election. Meadowoak Aug 1 #51

You think lying to voters would help us win? tritsofme Aug 1 #55

Maybe once MichMan Aug 1 #57

It works for the Republicans Meadowoak Aug 1 #69

You might be right. I used to think left-leaning voters wouldn't be quite as responsive to lies and manipulation tritsofme Aug 2 #77

Don't forget 2000 SocialDemocrat61 Aug 1 #7

Yep. Susan Calvin Aug 1 #12

How? What power did Al Gore have to overrule the Supreme Court? Or even Bill Clinton as President at the time? There KPN Aug 1 #36

Screaming bloody murder for a recount. Susan Calvin Aug 1 #60

Just a coincidence that it came down to Florida? czarjak Aug 2 #78

When the votes were actually counted, Gore won Florida by 880,000 votes. Meadowoak Aug 1 #21

What are you talking about? He didn't even win the national vote by that amount. KPN Aug 1 #33

Al Gore in 2000, remember, the supreme Court stepped in Meadowoak Aug 1 #47

Citation needed EdmondDantes_ Aug 4 #90

not necessarily so... thesquanderer Aug 1 #35

Lol Polybius Aug 2 #84

I still believe (personally; I'm not a crusader about it) that Seeking Serenity Aug 1 #37

1988? Polybius Aug 2 #85

Agree! Hope22 Aug 1 #8

Yep...the they go low we go high BS is history. Newsom and other Governors are looking to redraw Bengus81 Aug 2 #81

Given the faulty premise this is founded on the naval gazing is absolutely important EdmondDantes_ Aug 1 #9

Why is election tampering treated like a conspiracy theory...? FirstLight Aug 1 #10

There was no election tampering... reACTIONary Aug 1 #66

If Harris would have garnered the same women's vote that Biden did she would have won. Bengus81 Aug 2 #82

So what? She didn't. reACTIONary Aug 2 #87

I read The Conyers Report. Chemical Bill Aug 1 #70

Computers record and count our votes. What could wrong? annielion Aug 1 #13

Won't get an argument from me... Montauk6 Aug 1 #14

The GOP ran the worst candidate to ever seek the office IronLionZion Aug 1 #16

I put it together for my personal understanding. sprinkleeninow Aug 1 #39

Good list of problems. Chemical Bill Aug 1 #71

Thanks for your astute additions. 🫡 sprinkleeninow Aug 1 #72

America was Gored in 2020 and it's been downhill since. live love laugh Aug 1 #23

2000 I think you mean. Celerity Aug 1 #63

Reminds me of a story at the Racetrack chouchou Aug 1 #24

As Joseph Stalin said: milestogo Aug 1 #25

Our candidates weren't the problem, look at how many idiots are out there and voting. Pompoy Aug 1 #26

It is time to demand UN observers. We insisted on this with other countries in the 70's and 80's LT Barclay Aug 1 #27

MAGA is setting up franchises. Initech Aug 1 #44

And don't forget 2000 wryter2000 Aug 1 #29

Exactly! Evergreen! LymphocyteLover Aug 1 #30

The really important one was 2000 Prairie Gates Aug 1 #38

I don't agree. I've had angst about the direction of this country economic policy-wise for over four decades now, and KPN Aug 1 #40

We need to fight the propagandists, they are the real problem! Initech Aug 1 #42

But we didn't. H2O Man Aug 1 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Aug 1 #50

The same as H2O Man Aug 1 #52

Ummm, we didn't. What if doesn't apply. reACTIONary Aug 1 #68

I refer to the crapper The Wizard Aug 1 #61

do both... myohmy2 Aug 1 #74

I agree Flux Aug 2 #83