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Ms. Toad

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59. Good thought -

Fri Aug 1, 2025, 11:26 AM

Aug 1

But changes in how the existing constitution is interpreted (i.e. not a new law) is treated differently than a new law. As to the application of the constitution in a criminal context, it is a two-step process. They first decide the correct interpretation going forward. Then, generally in a later case, they determine whether it only applies going forward, or also applies retroactively.

Here, the issue isn't - on its face - a criminal matter. Usually they would wait to decide any criminal implications that come up later (like whether a child born into the United States who is not a citizen is guilty of being in the United without legal right to be here (a misdemeanor).

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