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crimycarny

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161. I, too, suspect it will not pass

Wed Sep 24, 2025, 12:47 PM

20 hrs ago

More along the lines that the GOP knows their women voters are very important to their elections.

Most of the conservative MAGA-type women I know from my home state of Indiana are the type who like complain and moan, but don't take action (unless it's something like a rally where all they have to do is show up.) Tedious things, like getting a copy of your marriage license, fall into the category of "too hard". Many won't bother with it, booooring.

So, bottom line, IF this bill were to pass (which I don't think it will), it's going to hurt GOP women just as much.

Dems voting to honor Charlie Kirk was a (stupid) symbolic gesture with little long-term impact. That won't be the same for the SAVE Act. No Democrat in Congress will vote for that becaust that would have a long-term impact, on them.

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I just want to add a comment to those thinking the voting marital name change issue is not a problem [View all] hlthe2b Tuesday OP

Kick SheltieLover Tuesday #1

It is a BIG DEAL! EarthAbides Tuesday #2

I still have the name I was born with Grim Chieftain Tuesday #19

for the short time I was married in the 1980s, barbtries Tuesday #102

So do I! calimary Yesterday #138

Great story Grim Chieftain Yesterday #139

Hugs back atcha, Grim Chieftain! calimary 18 hrs ago #167

And it's a BIGGER deal than a birth certificate. pnwmom Tuesday #94

I have been married twice oberle Tuesday #137

At least till Congress requires it is the bottom line. And if it takes months to gather your documents, pnwmom Yesterday #141

Which is the point. pandr32 20 hrs ago #159

Slightly off-topic but those documents can also VTderry Yesterday #150

My maga sister is one of those who stupidly says it is no big deal. Not to her, she is rich. Trueblue1968 Tuesday #3

It costs money and takes time, too. MineralMan Tuesday #4

Every obstacle to make it harder to vote ... now who would that benefit ... I wonder who .... Could it be .... eppur_se_muova Tuesday #5

Same thing, different name. soldierant Tuesday #88

Thank you. Solly Mack Tuesday #6

applegrove's post was about needing to get a marriage certificate... SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #7

She also discussed the voting issue. Are you claiming I am lying? You need the birth certificate hlthe2b Tuesday #8

No, I'm not claiming that you're lying... SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #11

Women have to have both! EarthAbides Tuesday #22

Yes, for some things they do SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #24

It is definitely a tax on women. Scrivener7 Tuesday #29

Where are women required to have a birth certificate to vote? SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #31

I just can't anymore. Scrivener7 Tuesday #40

Not sure why... SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #47

That's the subject of this thread. What have you been reading? Scrivener7 Tuesday #51

And yet... SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #52

Because you couldn't possibly google or keep up: House GOP tramples on women's rights with passage of SAVE Act hlthe2b Tuesday #53

I'm well aware of the SAVE Act... SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #55

And you think those affected will have the time to react if it is signed/enacted? hlthe2b Tuesday #57

Which seven Democratic Senators ... SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #61

They are clearly delaying to the last minute to ensure women have no chance to respond... hlthe2b Tuesday #64

I do care about women being disenfranchised... SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #70

MEN do not change their name to their wife's. IT IS about women. Good gawd. hlthe2b Tuesday #75

Under the SAVE Act... SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #84

How many House Democrats did you think were going to vote to honor Charlie Kirk? Scrivener7 Tuesday #73

Did you believe that Roe vs Wade could never be overturned? Or the Voting Rights Act be gutted? The GOP ... Hekate 19 hrs ago #163

NO. It absolutely does NOT. Scrivener7 Tuesday #69

Sorry, what "absolutely does NOT"? SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #72

You really just need to go read it. Scrivener7 Tuesday #74

I actually did... SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #89

Because it hasn't passed the Senate yet. They are likely waiting till close to Scrivener7 Tuesday #54

Exactly. They want to pass/enact it at last minute to prevent women from having the chance hlthe2b Tuesday #60

I seriously can't deal with this anymore. We are actually needing to defend the idea that this is not a good thing. Scrivener7 Tuesday #67

One might wonder why they are on DU... hlthe2b Tuesday #99

I'm absolutely sure what you're talking about... SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #108

And you missed the fact that, in practice, many women will need to provide both. Scrivener7 Tuesday #121

You seem to miss the point of what the birth certificate requirement is for SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #126

Have a lovely evening. Scrivener7 Tuesday #127

It will not pass Wiz Imp Tuesday #82

Hope not. But I didn't think House Democrats would vote to honor Kirk. Scrivener7 Tuesday #85

I'm not trying to downplay it but the majority of women would not be impacted immediately. Wiz Imp Tuesday #110

How many women moved, changed their name or changed party registration last year? Scrivener7 Tuesday #114

Somebody needs to look up the word downplay and perhaps rewrite their title. Ilikepurple Tuesday #129

You're sure Republicans won't get rid of the filibuster to assure they stay in power? SunSeeker Tuesday #90

Yes. I'm sure Republicans will not get rid of the filibuster just for this. Wiz Imp Tuesday #106

No. You're not sure. You're no more sure of that than people were sure Roe v. Wade would hold. Scrivener7 Tuesday #115

Yes I am sure. I'd stake my life savings on it. It WILL NOT HAPPEN Wiz Imp Tuesday #122

OK. So you've informed us bout your infallibility, and about the fact that you are OK with Democratic citizens Scrivener7 Tuesday #123

Amazing. You misrepresented every single thing I said. Wiz Imp Tuesday #128

I, too, suspect it will not pass crimycarny 20 hrs ago #161

Thank you for understanding the point. Wiz Imp 19 hrs ago #164

Not required in Kansas............ Bengus81 Tuesday #76

YET. This is about the Federal SAVE ACT. Google or head upstream. hlthe2b Tuesday #100

SAVE act requires a birth certificate to vote if you legally changed your name... haele Tuesday #98

It's A Tax RobinA Tuesday #105

Regarding marriage certificates... SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #109

I've read your post four times and I still can't make sense of it. yardwork Yesterday #145

I apologize if what I said wasn't clear SickOfTheOnePct 23 hrs ago #153

Its a tax on women if women need a birth certificate to vote MadameButterfly Yesterday #147

I agree 100% SickOfTheOnePct 23 hrs ago #154

OK, so there's an even worse law MadameButterfly 12 hrs ago #170

I've been amazed at the Democratic/left pooh-poohing on this issue since the early push for RealID for voting Ms. Toad Tuesday #9

Boy, that's some serious poll taxing. ananda Tuesday #10

I'm not aware of any states that require a birth certificate to vote SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #14

Have you missed the weeks of discussion of the RW attempts to do so? hlthe2b Tuesday #17

I'm aware that a number of Republican states are trying... SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #18

Perhaps you could Google the question. mgardener Tuesday #62

It's up to the people making the claims... SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #63

This requirement for women to prove their maiden name is exactly that. It requires a birth certificate to vote. Scrivener7 Tuesday #30

What requirement for women to prove their maiden name in order to vote? n/t SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #32

I'll bet 50-75% of men don't have a clue where their BC is. I had to buy one years ago Bengus81 Tuesday #79

+1 leftstreet Tuesday #15

So glad I never changed my name. Coventina Tuesday #12

The old style birth certificates that I got in the early 'seventies from the county courthouse... hunter Tuesday #13

Yeah... I still have that one, but it was refused. Irritating as hell. hlthe2b Tuesday #21

A few years ago I had to get birth certificates for different relatives across 3 different states ClaudetteCC Tuesday #28

It is definitely a misogynist move. Most of us do change our names at marriage... Hekate Tuesday #16

I changed my legal name to my maiden and married name when I got married kimbutgar Tuesday #20

Isn't it standard practice to already have copies of one's birth certificate on hand? Kaleva Tuesday #23

Kindly reread my OP and that of Hunter (#13). Certainly not the RW MAGA to blame for hlthe2b Tuesday #26

Gosh. I had to replace my birth certificate because my mother lost mine. Scrivener7 Tuesday #33

LOL...I've been voting in Kansas since 1972 and a BC has never been required. Bengus81 Tuesday #80

But shouldn't everyone, men and women, have copies of their birth certificate? Kaleva Tuesday #34

Real ID has a number of options. You can do it without a birth certificates. Scrivener7 Tuesday #35

True but since I had my birth certificate, I used that Kaleva Tuesday #37

That's nice. Scrivener7 Tuesday #43

Only if your current driver's license was obtained with documents proving your full legal name Ms. Toad Tuesday #91

Based on everything I've read, you need a proof of identity to get a Real ID Wiz Imp Tuesday #97

Blame women....Blame poor women. especially after I detailed the $76 it cost me to replace mine hlthe2b Tuesday #41

We have a full set of vital docs... SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #42

You know they're not free, right? leftstreet Tuesday #48

More Highly ENTITLED... hlthe2b Tuesday #50

Good for you! yardwork Yesterday #149

If Someone Says It's No Big Deal modrepub Tuesday #25

just went through this - dont forget the notary fee for the document Vitalchek needs +$20 TalenaGor Tuesday #27

You don't need vitalcheck if you go in person or use mail Kaleva Tuesday #39

For gawd's sakes. What percentage of this nations' women live in the state of their birth hlthe2b Tuesday #49

I don't believe women are as helpless as you seem to think they are Kaleva 22 hrs ago #157

If they don't know, they aren't financially secure, trapped in a horrible controlling or violent marriage hlthe2b 22 hrs ago #158

What does anything in that post have to do with helplessness? Scrivener7 17 hrs ago #168

gotcha - I live in a differnt state now so I didnt have much of a choice lol TalenaGor Tuesday #96

Some people have different situations than you. Scrivener7 Tuesday #120

It's a BIG DEAL proud patriot Tuesday #36

But the Stepford MAGAs will be ok with it IbogaProject Tuesday #38

Hell. It appears some here are just fine with it. Scrivener7 Tuesday #45

They will fail. Fiendish Thingy Tuesday #44

"Roe v. Wade will never fall." "No Democratic House member would ever vote to honor Kirk." Scrivener7 Tuesday #119

It IS a big deal sdfernando Tuesday #46

K&R. I didn't see the original thread, but I think some of its poo-poo overflowed Torchlight Tuesday #56

My BC copy was $47.50 through the same service. CrispyQ Tuesday #58

I am 77 years old and have never changed my name. PoindexterOglethorpe Tuesday #59

There is a lot of social pressure in many communities for a woman to change her name. hunter Tuesday #93

I lived in Minneapolis in the early years of my marriage. PoindexterOglethorpe Yesterday #140

Just deal with it. Maru Kitteh Tuesday #65

Seems to be the attitude--even among quite a few (male, I assume) DUers on this thread hlthe2b Tuesday #66

And my favorite: "Well, it wouldn't be an issue for ME, so it isn't an issue!" Scrivener7 Tuesday #113

Sexism all around us. yardwork Yesterday #146

I recall an article about a poor man in Wisconsin who kept driving to Chicago repeatedly to get his birth certificate lostnfound Tuesday #68

Isn't it amazing how prevalent gaslighting is here? littlemissmartypants Tuesday #71

Also sealioning! Also dismissing! Also misinformation! It's a bonanza of obnoxiousness! Scrivener7 Tuesday #116

Birth certificates have never been free synni Tuesday #77

Using "never" is really silly. Some states DID and all or nearly all DO. But that isn't the point hlthe2b Tuesday #101

Many years Rebl2 Tuesday #78

Poll Tax PurgedVoter Tuesday #81

as an adoptee mokeyz Tuesday #83

I have another complex paper trail TommyT139 Tuesday #95

your dad did you a solid Skittles Tuesday #86

In Ohio if there were multiple marriages Hope22 Tuesday #87

Much ado about nothing Gimpyknee Tuesday #92

Kick SheltieLover Tuesday #103

I have ForgedCrank Tuesday #104

yeah. None of this is a big deal to men... hlthe2b Tuesday #107

Those are ForgedCrank Tuesday #117

You aren't even responding to the issues on this thread. Not having read any of it, obviously. hlthe2b Tuesday #133

Ok ForgedCrank Tuesday #134

Last Name voting issue ms.pamela Tuesday #111

Most of us (at lest the majority women on this thread know). The men mostlly have shown they hlthe2b Tuesday #112

I'm amazed at the energy used to downplay this marginalization tactic. Ilikepurple Tuesday #118

The clear message here is that if a bunch of women lose the right to vote, it's no big deal. Scrivener7 Tuesday #124

This will discourage women from taking their husband's names when they marry. milestogo Tuesday #125

It's a total pain in the ass for women who Warpy Tuesday #130

Thanks hil. I deleted. Then I thought better of it, came across applegrove Tuesday #131

Thank you JustAnotherGen Tuesday #132

Then there's this character. Totally Tunsie Tuesday #135

NH libertarians passed this Tesha Tuesday #136

To the handful of naysayers: "this will never happen" on this thread--SEE THE POST ABOVE #136 hlthe2b Yesterday #143

I don't see anyone saying it will NEVER happen Wiz Imp 18 hrs ago #166

You haven't looked then. hlthe2b 16 hrs ago #169

It passed in New Hampshire with zero Democratic votes Wiz Imp 18 hrs ago #165

People who think it's a fine idea Tesha 10 hrs ago #171

I'm surprised the majority of Harris voters seemed to be OK with the law. Wiz Imp 10 hrs ago #172

We have one TV station - which is not helpful Tesha 10 hrs ago #173

Don't get me started róisín_dubh Yesterday #142

Ridiculous kkmarie Yesterday #144

It's absolutely ridiculous and infuriating. still-prayin4rain Yesterday #148

True that it's an expense. But overall, why not see the expense as an investment in original documents, which ancianita 23 hrs ago #151

For gawd's sakes, ancianita, it is an equity issue and an intentional effort to disenfranchise women! hlthe2b 23 hrs ago #152

Thanks. Understood. It's likely because I didn't read any previous thread on this, I did not know this part: ancianita 20 hrs ago #160

Thanks ancianita for taking the time to go back... hlthe2b 19 hrs ago #162

Passport $190, updated birth certificate $30 Clouds Passing 23 hrs ago #155

So you live in the state of your birth? Hardly comparable, but good on you. hlthe2b 22 hrs ago #156