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meadowlander

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57. The filing fee is $760 and it's a lot of paperwork.
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 01:39 PM
Nov 19

If she had basically all the benefits of citizenship on her green card that mattered to her and didn't envisage this scenario coming up, she might have just not bothered. People have other things to do in their lives.

I haven't gone through the US immigration system but my experience with New Zealand immigration is that they want all kinds of crap at every stage and everything has to be within the correct date range at the same time or it expires and you have to start over. I had to have police certificates from every country I had ever lived in saying I'd never committed any crimes there which couldn't be more than a year or two old. This included China which didn't have an online way to order or pay for this certificate and send it overseas, would not accept an application from an agent, and took six weeks to process the request, so I had to literally go back to China for six weeks to apply for it in person. This because my original certificate was six months out of date and New Zealand Immigration would not accept proof that I have been living in New Zealand continuously during the gap so could not physically have been committing crimes in China during that time period. Plus I had to give them up to date medical certificates, proof of employment and having enough funds to support myself, two other forms of valid ID, character witnesses, etc.

I've been a permanent resident in New Zealand for 15 years and never bothered to go for citizenship. The only things I could do with citizenship that I can't do as a permanent resident are run for elected office, compete on the New Zealand Olympic team and travel on a New Zealand passport which are all pretty remote possibilities - although the last one might tip me over eventually depending on how septic my US passport gets overseas. That or the prospect of no longer having to file tax returns in the US despite not having lived or worked there for 20 years.

I'm friends with a gay couple who adopted their babies using surrogates in the US and despite neither of the kids living in the US past the age of a few weeks old, they are are going to have to file tax returns for the rest of their lives regardless of whether they owe anything or not unless they renounce US citizenship. So who knows, it could be a tax thing.

And as an Irish American I just can't bring myself to swear an oath to bear faithful and true allegiance to the British Crown. Plus I think I may actually have a bit of PTSD, since dealing with New Zealand Immigration the first four times (for student, work, residence and then permanent residence visas) was such a hassle coinciding with one of the worst times of my life. I don't think you can discount the level of stress around those processes and the lasting impact it can have on people that may make them just not want to deal with it again if they don't have to.

You spend months if not years having completely uprooted your life and handed it over to a faceless bureaucracy and if any of the thousand of things that could go wrong does go wrong the stakes are you end up broke, homeless, unemployed and back in a country you probably had pretty good reasons for leaving in the first place.

But anyway, there's any number of reasons why someone who has achieved permanent residence in a country might never bother to take the final step. And none of them excuse deporting her for having written a bad check a decade ago.

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Hey stupid, gab13by13 Nov 19 #1
There's crime and there is crime. Jay walking is a crime, too. So's armed robbery. marble falls Nov 19 #8
So is accepting bribes as a president rurallib Nov 19 #32
My point is her making a bad $25.00 check and making good on it quickly and satisfying all legal concerns ... marble falls Nov 19 #55
I know and I thought I was adding to your comparison rurallib Nov 19 #59
Sorry, my fault. For some reason lately the mention of the Orange Shitgibbon has not been making angry. .. marble falls Nov 19 #60
And yet, dismembering a journalist gets you a state dinner. tinrobot Nov 19 #40
I guess next time she needs to sign that check with Khoshogi's blood! It's time to eat the rich. marble falls Nov 19 #56
Link? n/t IL Dem Nov 19 #2
Easy enough to search ... marble falls Nov 19 #5
It's customary to provide a link to one's own story Prairie Gates Nov 19 #13
There are ways to ask for it and ways not to ask for it. Personally I search for links and secondary links when ... marble falls Nov 19 #17
Wait: "Link? n/t" is building a gotcha? Prairie Gates Nov 19 #20
+1. A minor state misdemeanor can be reclassified as a crime of moral turpitude by immigration authorities dalton99a Nov 19 #25
Sorry Botany Nov 19 #9
He's doing what he was allowed to by assholes like Mr Brown. Only makes a statement after his ox is gored. ... marble falls Nov 19 #3
Leopard is definitely looking a little Chonky Iris Nov 19 #4
TACO has made sure the pickins is good. marble falls Nov 19 #6
Another Trump supporter was deported to Africa..a Cuban qith so many crimes that Cuba wonr take him BlueWaveNeverEnd Nov 19 #7
Sorry, I don't care PJMcK Nov 19 #10
I'm very sorry they're facing this, but did they not believe TSF when he SAID HE WOULD DO THIS? LearnedHand Nov 19 #11
After 40 years why didn't she get citizenship? Srkdqltr Nov 19 #12
To come here as a child and not get citizenship is, I agree, a little strange Prairie Gates Nov 19 #14
Had a friend who came here as a teen and did not get citizenship until she was in her 70's. She said while her efhmc Nov 19 #21
My Japanese wife has been here 25 years. Lucky Luciano Nov 19 #38
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He hated the people they hated. patphil Nov 19 #50
There's hope.. agingdem Nov 19 #58
But, they didn't vote for white people to get deported! It's just supposed to be those awful dark-skinned ones. mucholderthandirt Nov 21 #63
they also didn't count on agingdem Nov 21 #67
This part from their UpInArms Nov 19 #16
And maybe, just maybe BeerBarrelPolka Nov 19 #22
What was her "misdemeanor infraction"? progressoid Nov 19 #44
Many of these same people .. Cherrycheeks Nov 21 #64
Why is she not a citizen after 47 years in the US on a green card? Ritabert Nov 19 #18
She has a country and moved here because of someone she loved.. Hope22 Nov 19 #24
She came here when she was 11 BeerBarrelPolka Nov 19 #26
But she was allowed to be a dual citizen. She could keep her Irish citizenship. Ritabert Nov 19 #27
The filing fee is $760 and it's a lot of paperwork. meadowlander Nov 19 #57
B b b but she's white... How can this happen in the u.s. of a?? kerouac2 Nov 19 #19
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Fat leopard A.I. pix. Botany Nov 19 #51
Trump's sheep dalton99a Nov 19 #29
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Sorry Ireland will get stuck with them IbogaProject Nov 19 #31
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Well I, for one, am certainly glad she's off our streets ... VMA131Marine Nov 19 #34
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That leopard gets fatter every time I see him! Iris Nov 21 #68
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