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H2O Man

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Mon Jan 12, 2026, 05:14 PM Monday

Peace [View all]

“ In those days, I identified with the ideas of Malcolm X, his philosophy of 'by any means necessary,' rather than what I misinterpreted as the passivity of Dr. Martin Luther King.” – Rubin “Hurricane” Carter


I will start by suggesting that we not engage in this conflict on the playing field of our opposition's turf. I will advocate that we raise it to a higher level of militant non-violence than they are able to understand. And it requires that it be organized at the grass roots level, in coordination with our elected representatives who demonstrate with us.

I note the obvious: Stephen Miller is looking to spark violence that will lead to a specific population that Miller and the felon plan to target with a vicious ICE/Border Patrol attack. They are willing, even eager, for some spark to ignite violence …... even having a damaged man in a uniform shell murder a woman in cold blood. Under the cover of the current protests across the country, we can count on the opposition to send agent provocateurs to create chaos. For they are mechanical, in both thinking and behavior, over and over in our nation's history.

Just as the para-military police fronting for the felon operate on the lowest level, we have several higher levels that are available to us. They require a level of self-discipline that is demanded today, if we are to win. Though my children are convinced otherwise, I was young once, and I understand that in general, young adults process anger and outrage differently than those my age. For whatever reason, I was never afraid in tense situations (hence I still have a part of a board a gentleman broke over my head in a march decades ago). But as Dr. King taught, one cannot drive out darkness with darkness.

I am not opposed to, say, the Berrigan brothers & plowshares activities. I also respect the “Citizens Commission to Investigate the FBI” that picked the date of The Fight of the Century's Ali versus Frazier to break into the FBI to borrow documents proving the agencies' illegal tactics while investigating the left. Despite the FBI's efforts, their identities remained unknown for 43 years, until they went public. Though I could tell some stories about those days, it is not what I am advocating now. So be careful.

King's activities required non-violence, even if attacked. That's hard. When Dr. King asked Rubin to join him in Selma, Rubin declined because he could not meet Martin's standards. Dr. King's followers were either silent in payer or meditation, or sang. The brutes they confronted did not know any way to react other than violence. But films of that violence changed the minds of the undecided. While all forms of exercising Amendment 1 rights are good, King's way was the most just and powerful.
That is the higher ground we need to rise to today. We need to rise above rage and hatred, because they are the stumbling blocks on the path that prevent us from moving ahead towards social justice. It is not easy. We must recognize that anyone who told us that we cannot do that, that we are chained to destructive emotions, lied to us. And sometimes that includes our lying to ourselves, convincing ourselves we are somehow incapable of answering Dr. King's most urgent call. The truth is that if we fail to put forth our best efforts, coming from our internal higher level, that the future will definitely be much harsher and more painful.

Thank you to anyone who has read this far.
H2O Man

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The scary part of non-violence is you can be killed. Non-violence pisses authority figures off to no end. Solly Mack Monday #1
Yes, you are right. H2O Man Monday #5
Malcolm was right. Either way, you can still end up maimed or dead. Solly Mack Monday #6
I agree 100% Non-Violent Protests is the ONLY Way forward. Nictuku Monday #2
Than you! H2O Man Monday #10
Thank you for this post H2O Man. I needed to livetohike Monday #3
Thank you. H2O Man Monday #11
... OneGrassRoot Monday #4
I will need to H2O Man Monday #12
YouTube it is! Thx. 💜 OneGrassRoot Monday #15
A few years ago, H2O Man Monday #18
Non-violence didn't work against Hitler. At all. SamuelTheThird Monday #7
Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Monday #14
I guess I wasn't clear SamuelTheThird Monday #20
You were clear. H2O Man Monday #22
Miller et al are only interested in violence in Democratic led cities and states malaise Monday #8
I think that is Exactly It Malaise Nictuku Monday #13
Do you think if people are 100% non-violent Trump will just go 'oh well' SamuelTheThird Monday #21
"They're eating dogs! H2O Man Monday #16
You always give us hope malaise Monday #19
Thanks...K&R spanone Monday #9
Thank you! H2O Man Monday #17
Amen. Those days are the American legacy that we must live by and live up to. ancianita Monday #23
Thank you! H2O Man Monday #24
Violence is the last resort of the incompetent BeneteauBum Monday #25
Right. H2O Man Monday #29
When has stumpy, Prairie_Seagull Monday #26
Exactly. H2O Man Monday #30
Well said Saoirse9 Monday #27
Be patient. H2O Man Monday #31
Never been more grateful for Saoirse9 Monday #28
As you know, H2O Man Monday #32
Wise words Saoirse9 13 hrs ago #41
I hear you! H2O Man 13 hrs ago #42
Non violence is sometimes necessary when you are powerless Keepthesoulalive Monday #33
"Whose blood"? H2O Man Monday #34
It has always been our blood Keepthesoulalive Monday #35
It is important H2O Man Monday #36
You did not live in the city. Keepthesoulalive Yesterday #37
Ha! H2O Man Yesterday #38
The proven effectiveness of Dr. King's method cannot be denied Martin Eden 20 hrs ago #39
Exactly! H2O Man 15 hrs ago #40
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