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Sympthsical

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17. I honestly don't expect many people here to agree with me
Mon Jan 12, 2026, 05:54 PM
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Because the shift is more generational than anything else. Millennials started divorcing immutable identity characteristics with ideology, and Gen Z has been speeding that up. Latinos and Democrats. The young and Democrats. These bright lines that people would take as axiom are no longer default truths. And people are getting mad about it. Again, Bowen and Matt were assumed to have one opinion because of who they are, and when that didn't mesh, the blowback was vicious. Traitors. AOC and Mamdani. Progressive. Said the most anodyne thing, "Hamas support is no good." Instant hatred. They thought his Islamic background demanded ideological conformity. Renee Good, opposed ICE, earned the Right's hatred.

The world doesn't run along reductive ideologies.

My disagreement with this author (to name one) is that she is writing from a place of racial ideology. It does not comport with the real world. She is writing from a place of assuming her ideological statements are obvious facts, when no such thing is in evidence. And that resting foundational assumption places cracks in the entire rest of the piece. Her view of white women is through an incredibly ideological lens, and while it might be interesting to watch her do combat with her own assumptions, it's not particularly helpful.

And you can see where she almost, almost gets it. She correctly identifies FOX News and right-wing social media reducing Good to a ideological identity. She has the receipts, and I have eyes. We all see the misogyny. But then the author herself goes right ahead and does the same. So close to awareness there. How does someone write, "Through workplace retaliation, harassment campaigns, doxxing, and blacklisting. Through the steady message that dissent will cost you your livelihood," and just keep going as if anyone outside of the choir isn't going, "Uhm, funny thing about that . . ."

Self-awareness needs to be a thing. And it's just not anymore.

I could write paragraphs about this, but to keep it succinct (way too late). This idea of "white woman immunity" is a construct that both the Right and Left share. The right-wing's criticisms of white liberal women are based on the assumption they think they have this immunity. And the Left's idea that they absolutely have this immunity and are complicit in all of the crimes is so parallel to the Right's views, it's kind of wacky to watch. You could play the game "Who said it?" and try to figure out if it was the Left or Right on the issue.

The author does an excellent job of calling out the Right and their reaction to her killing. However, Renee Good deserves better than this reduction to identity. We all do. It's something we need to stop doing. It's unhelpful conversation at this point. The world is not that anymore and hasn't been in some time.

We can do better than this stuff. And to put it extremely plainly: using a dead woman for identity political football is just icky. It should feel dirty. And to people who aren't already ideological disposed in this way, I can't imagine this article going over well.

"Because it confirms that the war on women has reached a stage where even whiteness and motherhood no longer guarantee safety."

It never did. And I cannot believe anyone in America - certainly no one who identifies as liberal - could not be aware of that. That in itself almost feels like misogyny. It's a dismissal of women's lived experiences. It plugs ideological fantasy in the place where real women, women who have suffered, exist.

This stuff's icky.

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Good had a wife, used pronouns and wrote poetry. sop Monday #1
Bingo! OldBaldy1701E Monday #18
I think the fact that she was married to a woman came to play a big part in this. RockCreek Monday #2
American conservative men largly view women as property. USS_Dauntless Monday #7
Women mean as little to them as people of color or differing religions or political affiliation. Marie Marie Monday #3
This doesn't require an essay. It's ideological tribalism. Sympthsical Monday #4
Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but B.See Monday #6
I honestly don't expect many people here to agree with me Sympthsical Monday #17
Thank you for you response. B.See Monday #24
I appreciate the engagement Sympthsical Monday #29
Points taken. I think we both know where B.See Monday #33
This message was self-deleted by its author B.See Monday #34
I'm strongly in favor of Palestinian rights AZProgressive Monday #27
Look at AOC's Jan. 9th post on Twitter about Hamas Sympthsical Monday #30
I don't visit much Social Media AZProgressive Monday #31
White women are promised NOTHING - TBF Monday #5
You are absolutely correct... B.See Monday #8
"the promise was always an illusion" - that's just it, I don't believe there is any promise TBF Monday #25
Yes, from the day you are born. Zackzzzz Monday #11
"Protecting women," just as "protecting children," is just an excuse they use to control and attack unblock Monday #32
lol why WOULDN'T they cheer?? WhiskeyGrinder Monday #9
I don't get your meaning. B.See Monday #13
I'm saying why wouldn't these white supremacist men cheer about the death of someone who was doing her part WhiskeyGrinder Monday #14
Ah. Knew there had to be more to it B.See Monday #15
No problem -- I'm always happy to clarify. Thanks for being generous and giving me a chance to. WhiskeyGrinder Monday #16
I'm a white man !! RB77 Monday #10
A common refrain - TBF Monday #20
It shouldn't offend you to acknowlege that many white men are cheering. Quiet Em Monday #23
The offense you take is no more than the offense you choose Torchlight Monday #28
Same reason why a significant percentage of white women are cheering Kaleva Monday #12
Because we are being run by some seriously demented psychopaths who want absolute power. Initech Monday #19
"across my own social media timelines" Found the problem. flvegan Monday #21
BECAUSE THEY HATE WOMEN. milestogo Monday #22
Because they killed a women. They're giddy little cretins. marble falls Monday #26
This message was self-deleted by its author mr715 Monday #35
Because they would have kacekwl Monday #36
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