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67. The way this is done without a warrant is.....
Mon Jan 12, 2026, 06:13 PM
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.... to purchase the data from data aggregators that collect the data legally and are in the business of selling it. So, yes, private citizens, who can afford it, can track you in this way.

"ICE had purchased two products produced by the American software company Pen-Link"

Pen-Link is a software company composed of "private individuals", and I don't think Pen-Link would have any quams about selling their products to anyone with the money.

Here I an example of the cell phone "tracking" product, which does not track in real time, but instead provides historical data:

Webloc is a controversial cellphone location-tracking system used by law enforcement agencies, notably U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and the Texas Department of Public Safety. Developed by the Israeli company Cobwebs (which merged into PenLink in 2023), it aggregates vast amounts of commercial location data from hundreds of millions of mobile devices.

How Webloc Works

Webloc operates by purchasing location data that is generated by smartphone apps for advertising purposes. This data includes information from apps, GPS, and Wi-Fi signals and is linked to a mobile advertising ID (MAID). The system's key features include:

Mass Data Collection: It gathers an extensive database of location points from a multitude of apps without requiring direct access to a user's phone.

Geofencing: Users (e.g., law enforcement agents) can draw a virtual perimeter on a map and query the system for all devices present in that area during a specific time.

Movement Tracking: It monitors and traces the historical movements of individual phones over time to establish patterns, infer home addresses, workplaces, and social connections.

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Yep..................... Lovie777 Monday #1
To be fair, most of that information can be obtained by any private citizen. Hellbound Hellhound Monday #2
Private citizens cannot track you this way obamanut2012 Monday #3
You GROSSLY underestimate how much information is already out there and how much can be FOIA'd to the right companies. Hellbound Hellhound Monday #4
You missed the point about wholesale government surveillance. Kid Berwyn Monday #17
Oh, I didn't miss the point; My counterpoint is that one doesn't even need the government to do it. Hellbound Hellhound Monday #18
That's great, but besides the original point. Kid Berwyn Monday #19
I mean, there's obviously degrees of power. Hellbound Hellhound Monday #23
We are all naked to public scrutiny. RVN VET71 Monday #53
10/10, no notes. I agree with you fully. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Monday #54
And, of course, there is the NSA data center in Utah markodochartaigh Monday #27
Thanks, Kid. n/t yellow dahlia Monday #70
You are misisng my point: private citzens cannot track you this way obamanut2012 Monday #44
Hey man, you got a personal stake tied up in this, I don't. I understand. "You're right" if that's what you need. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Monday #47
Squirrell stillspkg Monday #57
Oh, see, THAT is a drastically different animal and I agree entirely. Hellbound Hellhound Monday #58
FOIA's aren't dealt with quickly & are challenged for "standing," so the FOIA argument doesn't hold for average citizens ancianita Monday #74
As a for instance... Hellbound Hellhound Monday #16
I'm not disputing what you're saying radical noodle Monday #37
Context search. Post history, details gleaned, timestamps, general statements, writing style, locations, profiles... Hellbound Hellhound Monday #38
So here's PURELY an example. Hellbound Hellhound Monday #39
Wow! radical noodle Monday #66
Tell me how YOU track a neighborhood's worth of phones like teh OP states obamanut2012 Monday #45
With a lot of hard work and research. Hellbound Hellhound Monday #48
Do it DBoon Monday #75
It is fairly trivial Lithos Monday #28
It really isn't obamanut2012 Monday #46
They do it all the time Lithos Monday #62
The way this is done without a warrant is..... reACTIONary Monday #67
Just wait ForgedCrank Monday #20
One of those is less than a mile down the main road that runs in front of the farm. ... littlemissmartypants Monday #40
The guy ForgedCrank Monday #41
I tried to add it. But it's more complicated than I have bandwidth for at the moment. ... littlemissmartypants Monday #52
Oooooh! MorbidButterflyTat Monday #71
It really does! What a great idea, MBT! ❤️ littlemissmartypants Monday #72
Kick dalton99a Monday #5
I do not have a cell phone katmondoo Monday #7
I don't have one either! CountAllVotes Monday #43
It's called 'Stingray' CousinIT Monday #6
Stingray is ancient tech orangecrush Monday #21
Still in use though, it seems - article from June 2025. I remember from the No Kings protest...people were.. CousinIT Monday #24
There are apps in Google Play store orangecrush Monday #32
So would it work to "go invisible" if you turn your phone totally off and put it in an RFID wallet? woodsprite Monday #8
Burners are currently the best option, and the cheapest for their efficacy. Hellbound Hellhound Monday #9
Spot on. orangecrush Monday #22
Cheers mate, thanks for the nod. Hellbound Hellhound Monday #25
True again orangecrush Monday #30
Solid. I've always wanted to get into HAM but money's been the limiting factor. Hellbound Hellhound Monday #31
Look up "Baofeng" ham radio orangecrush Monday #33
No shit? Man, I just took a look and they've changed a LOT since I looked last! Hellbound Hellhound Monday #35
My pleasure orangecrush Monday #36
I saw a video orangecrush Monday #26
Agreed, with cameras everywhere, the only surefire way to not get tracked via phone is to not have a phone. Hellbound Hellhound Monday #29
A good RFID bag (or Faraday bag) would help a lot. erronis Monday #49
Perhaps you could "go invisible" temporarily. progressoid Monday #68
Scary jfz9580m Monday #10
Your tax dollars at work. Kid Berwyn Monday #11
Well, when you integrate something into every aspect of your life without a clear understanding of how it all works... OldBaldy1701E Monday #12
California launches one-click system to delete personal data from hundreds of brokers cbabe Monday #15
Good idea. We'll see how well it really works. erronis Monday #50
Law enforcement has been using portable cell phone tower capture devices...stingray...since the 90's Melon Monday #13
Can law enforcement "see" your phone if your location services is turned off? Felicita Monday #69
I think if your phone is on...which is using cell service Melon Monday #76
Having a cell phone is like having the Government in your pocket, and not just the U.S. gov! RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Monday #14
Word orangecrush Monday #34
THAT was the name of the show I was thinking of, "Person of Interest". Hellbound Hellhound Monday #42
The consistent misuse of information has a foul smell attached to it Torchlight Monday #51
Intrusive vs Exclusive Tech 2na fisherman Monday #55
that has to be unconstitutional, right? barbtries Monday #56
You'd be surprised how much of their lives people sign away to cell phone companies in their contracts. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Monday #59
Faraday bags -misanthroptimist Monday #60
I somehow survived half a century without a cell phone. hunter Monday #61
NAZIS Joinfortmill Monday #63
A VPN will protect your data through encryption, although not your movement GoodRaisin Monday #64
Elon??? Evolve Dammit Monday #65
This message was self-deleted by its author mysteryowl Monday #73
"...the Trump administration's growing surveillance state." calimary 23 hrs ago #77
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