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Sympthsical

(10,867 posts)
29. I appreciate the engagement
Mon Jan 12, 2026, 08:19 PM
18 hrs ago

A few quick responses (peds rotation begins tomorrow, so skedaddling time)

1. I agree with you both sides are distinct. Come voting time, you and I have a clear Democratic preference - the sides aren't even close. But in the Bowen/Matt/AOC/Mamdani examples, this viciousness is intraparty. It's shots being fired inside the house for any position or opinion that smidged even an inch out of line. The reason I brought it up is to illustrate how this ideological hyperpolarization is now the overriding characteristic driving rage in our current politics. It's not identity - it's this stuff. I'm not saying identity isn't a component - it's just not nearly as controlling as the author clearly assumes. (As far as B/M having an opinion, that's kind of a thin rationale. Everyone had an opinion about the NYC mayor's race. And I doubt any non-Texan supporting Crockett would be attacked by these same people for the same reason. Let's be a little honest here. They're adults. They can have an opinion. I don't even know what "credentials" would look like in the case of permission to have a political opinion about an election. DU couldn't exist if we started extending these standards).

2. After my second response, I looked up who Dr. Patton was. That last line about guaranteed safety bugged me enough to look. I had three assumptions. Non-white, academic, probably talks about intersectionality a lot. The kind of undertone of venom about white women is a hallmark of a certain space in academia. I threw in a fourth guess for fun - that I could look at her social media and find something really, really alienating and dumb within 60 seconds. I was right on all four counts. I promise I'm not magic. It's just that it's so predictable, tiresome, and worn out to be this . . . intellectually lazy when it comes to these smooth-tread ideological statements. (She describes asking someone how to be a better ally as "violence". C'mon now.) We need better arguments than a gear stuck in 2012. It's time to evolve. We haven't in the age of Trump, and I think that's a deep part of why we can't get as much electoral traction as you'd think when the Right has completely melted down. It's because people who can be persuaded turn to us and get rhetoric like this, and it's an instant, "Ugh, nevermind. This is insufferable."

I do not know who this article is for. I agree with how she calls out the Right. 100%. And then she trips right over her own ideology. It almost feels like a self-soothing exercise. A confirmation prayer. A recitation of faith.

We need people who want to pull back from hyperpolarization rather than stoke it. Dr. Patton's a stoker. I just don't find it useful at this moment, I guess.

3. Very quickly, because I've run out of time. We all agree entitled white women are a thing. On social media. Social media loves this stuff and posts about it. Posts stories about it. Shares it all around - because it is acceptable. I have met these women myself. I've also met men and non-white people who come flying out with the same sense of entitlement. Crazy meltdowns. Abuse of service workers. Rage over nothing. But that isn't as fun a social media currency. For a variety of reasons, Karen became the acceptable national pinata. Everyone, Right and Left, agrees that having a go at white women is the best of times. Dr. Patton strikes me as the kind of person who is likely to have participated in that way. I've read some of her stuff, and that's the vibe. Which is probably why this article struck me the way it did.

And I'm not saying this entitlement from privilege isn't a thing. As you mention, some people feel a lot safer than others involving law enforcement in disputes. You make a great, undeniable point. Yeah, some people are just that insulated (although I'd argue a lot of this is heavily class-based as well. The word "suburban" surfaces often).

But I do think people need to take a hard look at the foundational assumptions they're using as springboards in these discussions. The underlying venom was unmistakable to me. And that line I quoted in particular. Only someone coming at it from prejudice would've written that.

This stuff isn't how Trump and the Right get beat. Either they self-destruct entirely (and take a lot of innocents with them) or we evolve and start using better words and more inclusive ideologies that don't seek to divide our own side into their component parts. We need to not be at each other's throats, and stuff like this just isn't helpful in that regard.

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Good had a wife, used pronouns and wrote poetry. sop 22 hrs ago #1
Bingo! OldBaldy1701E 20 hrs ago #18
I think the fact that she was married to a woman came to play a big part in this. RockCreek 22 hrs ago #2
American conservative men largly view women as property. USS_Dauntless 21 hrs ago #7
Women mean as little to them as people of color or differing religions or political affiliation. Marie Marie 22 hrs ago #3
This doesn't require an essay. It's ideological tribalism. Sympthsical 22 hrs ago #4
Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but B.See 21 hrs ago #6
I honestly don't expect many people here to agree with me Sympthsical 20 hrs ago #17
Thank you for you response. B.See 19 hrs ago #24
I appreciate the engagement Sympthsical 18 hrs ago #29
Points taken. I think we both know where B.See 17 hrs ago #33
This message was self-deleted by its author B.See 17 hrs ago #34
I'm strongly in favor of Palestinian rights AZProgressive 18 hrs ago #27
Look at AOC's Jan. 9th post on Twitter about Hamas Sympthsical 18 hrs ago #30
I don't visit much Social Media AZProgressive 17 hrs ago #31
White women are promised NOTHING - TBF 22 hrs ago #5
You are absolutely correct... B.See 21 hrs ago #8
"the promise was always an illusion" - that's just it, I don't believe there is any promise TBF 19 hrs ago #25
Yes, from the day you are born. Zackzzzz 21 hrs ago #11
"Protecting women," just as "protecting children," is just an excuse they use to control and attack unblock 17 hrs ago #32
lol why WOULDN'T they cheer?? WhiskeyGrinder 21 hrs ago #9
I don't get your meaning. B.See 20 hrs ago #13
I'm saying why wouldn't these white supremacist men cheer about the death of someone who was doing her part WhiskeyGrinder 20 hrs ago #14
Ah. Knew there had to be more to it B.See 20 hrs ago #15
No problem -- I'm always happy to clarify. Thanks for being generous and giving me a chance to. WhiskeyGrinder 20 hrs ago #16
I'm a white man !! RB77 21 hrs ago #10
A common refrain - TBF 19 hrs ago #20
It shouldn't offend you to acknowlege that many white men are cheering. Quiet Em 19 hrs ago #23
The offense you take is no more than the offense you choose Torchlight 18 hrs ago #28
Same reason why a significant percentage of white women are cheering Kaleva 21 hrs ago #12
Because we are being run by some seriously demented psychopaths who want absolute power. Initech 20 hrs ago #19
"across my own social media timelines" Found the problem. flvegan 19 hrs ago #21
BECAUSE THEY HATE WOMEN. milestogo 19 hrs ago #22
Because they killed a women. They're giddy little cretins. marble falls 18 hrs ago #26
This message was self-deleted by its author mr715 17 hrs ago #35
Because they would have kacekwl 15 hrs ago #36
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