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Duncan Grant

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25. Because complicity has been an effective response so far!

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Tue Jan 13, 2026, 01:15 PM

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An effective opposition cannot be lead with collaboration. We need a course correction. Fight back, god damn it.

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Schumer and Jeffries Refuse to Back Growing Democratic Calls to Defund ICE [View all] Mysterian Tuesday OP

I don't know if they want to reveal everything in their toolbox right now, so to speak Just_Vote_Dem Tuesday #1

Keeping one's powder dry. Kid Berwyn Tuesday #7

Seriously your comment is a bit reassuring vapor2 Tuesday #17

This is kinda the same argument many of us here on DU, including me, were making in regards to Merrick Garland, MarineCombatEngineer Tuesday #18

I hear you, but Just_Vote_Dem Tuesday #20

... orangecrush Tuesday #76

maybe we could try... ret5hd Tuesday #101

If a rogue militia gunning down American citizens with impunity is not the right time, what is? Scrivener7 Tuesday #102

1000% TIMES THIS. No more M.Garland-style hope. No more wishing Maru Kitteh Tuesday #27

Garland handed over a fast moving investigation to Smith who brought an indictment with more than enough time to convict bigtree Tuesday #48

Thank you! betsuni Tuesday #57

Hey there, posse pal! MorbidButterflyTat Tuesday #71

Giddy-up, partner! betsuni Tuesday #77

Yippy kai yay! sheshe2 12 hrs ago #128

Ever see Die Hard? MorbidButterflyTat 10 hrs ago #129

LOL.... sheshe2 10 hrs ago #130

You're preaching to the choir MorbidButterflyTat Tuesday #70

When it was discovered he had stolen all that classified material questionseverything Tuesday #81

This! A hundred times this!! CrispyQ Tuesday #87

He for sure wouldn't be walking around freely questionseverything Tuesday #88

anyone looking at how high profile prosecutions are challenged and appealed bigtree Tuesday #89

If he was sitting in jail, waiting for trial like any other traitor would be questionseverything Tuesday #90

that possibility just existed in the internet fantasy prosecution bigtree Tuesday #91

We disagree and I don't feel the need to belittle you and that's your entire argument questionseverything Tuesday #92

lol bigtree Tuesday #94

Yeah right. choie Tuesday #33

Respectfully, I understand the optimism angrychair Tuesday #41

I appreciate the response Just_Vote_Dem Tuesday #42

No worries at all angrychair Tuesday #44

Thank you! Just_Vote_Dem Tuesday #46

Seconding angrychair in my hopes that you improve hamsterjill Tuesday #68

Thank you so much! Just_Vote_Dem Tuesday #84

This message was self-deleted by its author orangecrush Tuesday #74

They need to meet this moment leftstreet Tuesday #2

Sadly, I think we need to face the fact that they won't. And our Democratic popularity will stay in the tank. Scrivener7 Tuesday #105

Gosh I hope they don't listen. Everyone knows defund is a TERRIBLE slogan. Maybe something like "we want nicer ICE?" WhiskeyGrinder Tuesday #3

Seen on social media: I like my ICE crushed. CrispyQ Tuesday #8

Saw the same meme the other day peggysue2 Tuesday #65

Defund is a third rail term Johonny Tuesday #4

How about " Keep the Border Sealed-- Re-form Ice" Ars Longa Tuesday #23

Build the case that ICE is wasting money, on jets for instance. dem4decades Tuesday #34

I didn't want to defund them angrychair Tuesday #47

Unlike Defund the Police, this is a movement/term I can 100% back. n/t Ms. Toad Tuesday #35

"There is nothing impossible to him who will try." Kid Berwyn Tuesday #5

They could write strict regulations into the bill Fiendish Thingy Tuesday #6

what bill? bigtree Tuesday #59

My comments were in the context of positions the leadership could take Fiendish Thingy Tuesday #82

the members of their respective bodies chose them bigtree Tuesday #93

"It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners." ― Albert Camus Ping Tung Tuesday #9

Wanting to neuter ICE is a political loser... biocube Tuesday #10

The only test they have to pass is a loyalty test. gab13by13 Tuesday #12

Yes they definitely need MORE money WhiskeyGrinder Tuesday #14

Oh! So the ICE murderer just wasn't trained properly leftstreet Tuesday #19

Yes, I think if we had the same requirements for police officers biocube Tuesday #22

yeah we know cops never murder anybody WhiskeyGrinder Tuesday #24

Nonsense leftstreet Tuesday #30

I don't see a lot of evidence pointing towards your assertion Torchlight Tuesday #21

More training for Proud Boys Brownshirts is not going to make a bit of difference SamuelTheThird Tuesday #31

Yeah that's what happened choie Tuesday #37

I have a question that I hope those with more knowledge on this can help explain Quiet Em Tuesday #11

Victims refuse JBTaurus83 Tuesday #13

At the very minimum, DISARM ICE C_U_L8R Tuesday #15

I recommend they never say ANYTHING aocommunalpunch Tuesday #16

Because complicity has been an effective response so far! Duncan Grant Tuesday #25

They should have a background check. No arrest Emile Tuesday #26

No wonder so many Dems are registering as independent now. CousinIT Tuesday #28

Something about beatings continuing until morale improves. n/t flvegan Tuesday #29

Schumer and Jeffries are legitimate, elected leaders. gulliver Tuesday #32

Wut? We can't call for the reining-in of ICE because we weren't elected? And we're trying to lose us the midterms Scrivener7 Tuesday #103

Both need to face a primary. This is being complicit in the torture and murder of US citizens as well as immigrants. Demsrule86 Tuesday #36

Schumer is not up until 28 SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #49

no Dem leader could undo the funding right now bigtree Tuesday #55

No matter how many times it's explained who votes for leadership, fact refuses to sink in. betsuni Tuesday #72

seriously. I have a hard time believing that they don't know the leaders represent the membership bigtree Tuesday #78

I know. Now I have the urge to use "refuse" in every sentence. betsuni Tuesday #83

THEY DON'T CONTROL THE BUDGET bigtree Tuesday #38

Again big thank you. betsuni Tuesday #64

you're welcome, going back to my plough, now bigtree Tuesday #66

Oh, look! Facts. Logic. Truth. (Thank you!) QueerDuck 15 hrs ago #121

Long worried about Schumer. Now worried about Jeffries. Nm Grins Tuesday #39

Defunding ICE maliaSmith Tuesday #40

While i agree something needs to be done Samael13 Tuesday #43

correct, I see less than half a dozen legislators in the article bigtree Tuesday #63

How large is too large BidenRocks Tuesday #45

Many Desirable Things Would be Possible if We Had a Democratic Majority in the House and Senate. MineralMan Tuesday #50

I would assume that both the SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #51

Our nation survived for 202 years without Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Thunderbeast Tuesday #52

ICE was only formed in late 2003 as a response to 9/11 and the Homeland Security Act. It's budget then was Nanjeanne Tuesday #53

Clickbait headline mcar Tuesday #54

"Little interest" - oh, that's so much better! I'm relieved. Thank God. (nt) Duncan Grant Tuesday #60

Better than refuse and the headline is misleading mcar Tuesday #62

Regardless, they are doing nothing more than make speeches. Duncan Grant Tuesday #67

"...impotent, cowardly acquiescence." MorbidButterflyTat 10 hrs ago #133

You won't shame me. Duncan Grant 7 hrs ago #134

It's designed to feed the anger of those who promote that Democrats "do-nothing" and "know-nothing" or... QueerDuck 15 hrs ago #122

Yup mcar 12 hrs ago #125

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Truth...out. sheshe2 10 hrs ago #131

Oh yeah mcar 10 hrs ago #132

I won't comment because I'd just get a post removed message CanonRay Tuesday #56

Close the border! Leave law abiding people alone! OrlandoDem2 Tuesday #58

Childish belief there are simple easy solutions for everything but mean old Democrats refuse to do them. betsuni Tuesday #61

Yeah orangecrush Tuesday #80

Childish belief the designated leaders do no wrong Mysterian Tuesday #100

Said nobody ever. betsuni Tuesday #104

Do you actually believe you "debunked" anything with this post: Mysterian 16 hrs ago #111

You shall soon be implied to be a bad Democrat mr715 15 hrs ago #114

"Childish" mr715 15 hrs ago #113

I'd like to see new leadership. hamsterjill Tuesday #69

the members of the party elect their own leadership bigtree Tuesday #96

Well, it's time for a change in my opinion. hamsterjill Tuesday #98

Post removed Post removed Tuesday #73

Didn't we all just have this same argument last week? MorbidButterflyTat Tuesday #75

this time it's conveniently while Dems are meeting this week to make these decisions bigtree Tuesday #97

It refuses to go away. We will see it again next week and the week after that and the week after that. betsuni Tuesday #106

Makes me sick orangecrush Tuesday #79

When maga has run its course, there will be time enough at last to regroup. usonian Tuesday #85

This is war. They want to destroy us. I'm tired of nambie pambie pretending any of the is normal. flashman13 Tuesday #86

you don't even know their position on this, yay or nay bigtree Tuesday #95

Possibly you missed a reporter asking Jefferies straight up whether he supported de-funding ICE. flashman13 Tuesday #99

that's specious bigtree Tuesday #108

No it's not. It's more weak kneed non leadership. flashman13 19 hrs ago #110

Leaders lead. mr715 15 hrs ago #112

they are leading. bigtree 15 hrs ago #116

The minority leader's function isn't really legislating mr715 15 hrs ago #118

'opposition messaging' is a canard in this case bigtree 15 hrs ago #119

As you know, the Senate leadership mr715 15 hrs ago #120

'defund' is a word that you likely won't see anywhere in any messaging from the leadership bigtree 14 hrs ago #123

Again, I appreciate this position mr715 14 hrs ago #124

""Statements and letters are not enough, and the appropriations process Scrivener7 Tuesday #107

They seem to be "re-fighting last year's election"---- Jack Valentino Tuesday #109

Why? kentuck 15 hrs ago #115

that's nonsense bigtree 15 hrs ago #117

I look forward to seeing their replacements take over. nt Gore1FL 12 hrs ago #126

I'm not surprised. Perhaps we need some more quiet, deliberate consideration... mucholderthandirt 5 hrs ago #135