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38. THEY DON'T CONTROL THE BUDGET
Tue Jan 13, 2026, 01:46 PM
18 hrs ago

...this is specious.

Republicans are in control of that.

I get that Truthout thinks it's more important right now to confront Democrats who they know well don't have the ability to advance a funding bill to the floor of the House, much less in committee, as the minority party.

That goes for the Senate, as well. This gotcha game is something I'd more expect from republicans looking to deflect from their own responsibilities, rather than anyone seriously looking to address the actual source of the money that's being used.

Democratic leaders don't make decisions like defunding an agency on their own, or by fiat. Those important decisions are made by consensus of the legislators in the party that are expected to organize the votes for important bills and initiatives. Moreover, it's the committees which advance those legislative ambitions, with Dems in the minority right now.

It's specious, for instance, to think Democrats wouldn't address ICE funding in a budget they advanced themselves with a Democratic majority. NO Democrat voted for the funding ICE is advantaging right now.

But that doesn't get you anywhere near addressing the money that's being used right now, and Truthout knows this, so let's break this down.

They want the Dem leaders to call for another federal budget resolution? In what universe is that going to happen? They maybe want a defunding appropriations bill... let's say we call it a 'rescission' of funds? Rescission power is completely in the hands of the majority.

So what is Truthout demanding? They want Democrats to make a feckless and toothless call for something Democrats not only have no power to do, but have no votes to effect.

Whatever you think of defunding, you have to realize that hanging the party out in the public with a toothless proposal that is little more than a target for the opposition is pathetic politics which is good for little more than the clicks and reposts this article received.


Jeffries yesterday:

House Democrats are going to have a
family conversation throughout the week
in the caucus meeting and in the whip
meeting about the path forward related
to these most recent developments.

We are unified behind the fact that under
the leadership of Primila Gyipol,
there's going to be a hearing that House
Democrats will hold this Friday in Minneapolis
as part of the effort to hold the Department of Homeland
Security accountable for its outofc
control behavior.

Now, it's important to understand
that a lot of the funding for ICE that
is currently being unleashed on the
American people, American citizens
in such extreme ways right now was
provided not through the traditional
appropriations process, but a connection
with the one big ugly bill that every single
Democrat and every single House Senate
Democrat opposed, every single one of us,
and that Donald Trump and Republicans
jammed down the throats of the American
people.

And so the funding dynamic that we have
to navigate as it relates to ICE's out of control
behavior is different in nature
than what may have otherwise been the
case because a lot of the funding that
ICE is currently utilizing comes from
their one big ugly bill.

And that's something that we'll collectively, you
know, be working on as our discussions
continue.


watch:




...if I didn't consider the source, I'd think this nonsense was bait from the republican opposition.

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I don't know if they want to reveal everything in their toolbox right now, so to speak Just_Vote_Dem 20 hrs ago #1
Keeping one's powder dry. Kid Berwyn 20 hrs ago #7
Seriously your comment is a bit reassuring vapor2 19 hrs ago #17
This is kinda the same argument many of us here on DU, including me, were making in regards to Merrick Garland, MarineCombatEngineer 19 hrs ago #18
I hear you, but Just_Vote_Dem 19 hrs ago #20
... orangecrush 16 hrs ago #76
maybe we could try... ret5hd 11 hrs ago #101
If a rogue militia gunning down American citizens with impunity is not the right time, what is? Scrivener7 10 hrs ago #102
1000% TIMES THIS. No more M.Garland-style hope. No more wishing Maru Kitteh 18 hrs ago #27
Garland handed over a fast moving investigation to Smith who brought an indictment with more than enough time to convict bigtree 17 hrs ago #48
Thank you! betsuni 17 hrs ago #57
Hey there, posse pal! MorbidButterflyTat 16 hrs ago #71
Giddy-up, partner! betsuni 16 hrs ago #77
You're preaching to the choir MorbidButterflyTat 16 hrs ago #70
When it was discovered he had stolen all that classified material questionseverything 16 hrs ago #81
This! A hundred times this!! CrispyQ 15 hrs ago #87
He for sure wouldn't be walking around freely questionseverything 14 hrs ago #88
anyone looking at how high profile prosecutions are challenged and appealed bigtree 14 hrs ago #89
If he was sitting in jail, waiting for trial like any other traitor would be questionseverything 14 hrs ago #90
that possibility just existed in the internet fantasy prosecution bigtree 13 hrs ago #91
We disagree and I don't feel the need to belittle you and that's your entire argument questionseverything 13 hrs ago #92
lol bigtree 13 hrs ago #94
Yeah right. choie 18 hrs ago #33
Respectfully, I understand the optimism angrychair 18 hrs ago #41
I appreciate the response Just_Vote_Dem 18 hrs ago #42
No worries at all angrychair 18 hrs ago #44
Thank you! Just_Vote_Dem 17 hrs ago #46
Seconding angrychair in my hopes that you improve hamsterjill 16 hrs ago #68
Thank you so much! Just_Vote_Dem 15 hrs ago #84
This message was self-deleted by its author orangecrush 16 hrs ago #74
They need to meet this moment leftstreet 20 hrs ago #2
Sadly, I think we need to face the fact that they won't. And our Democratic popularity will stay in the tank. Scrivener7 9 hrs ago #105
Gosh I hope they don't listen. Everyone knows defund is a TERRIBLE slogan. Maybe something like "we want nicer ICE?" WhiskeyGrinder 20 hrs ago #3
Seen on social media: I like my ICE crushed. CrispyQ 20 hrs ago #8
Saw the same meme the other day peggysue2 16 hrs ago #65
Defund is a third rail term Johonny 20 hrs ago #4
How about " Keep the Border Sealed-- Re-form Ice" Ars Longa 18 hrs ago #23
Build the case that ICE is wasting money, on jets for instance. dem4decades 18 hrs ago #34
I didn't want to defund them angrychair 17 hrs ago #47
Unlike Defund the Police, this is a movement/term I can 100% back. n/t Ms. Toad 18 hrs ago #35
"There is nothing impossible to him who will try." Kid Berwyn 20 hrs ago #5
They could write strict regulations into the bill Fiendish Thingy 20 hrs ago #6
what bill? bigtree 17 hrs ago #59
My comments were in the context of positions the leadership could take Fiendish Thingy 16 hrs ago #82
the members of their respective bodies chose them bigtree 13 hrs ago #93
"It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners." ― Albert Camus Ping Tung 20 hrs ago #9
Wanting to neuter ICE is a political loser... biocube 20 hrs ago #10
The only test they have to pass is a loyalty test. gab13by13 19 hrs ago #12
Yes they definitely need MORE money WhiskeyGrinder 19 hrs ago #14
Oh! So the ICE murderer just wasn't trained properly leftstreet 19 hrs ago #19
Yes, I think if we had the same requirements for police officers biocube 19 hrs ago #22
yeah we know cops never murder anybody WhiskeyGrinder 18 hrs ago #24
Nonsense leftstreet 18 hrs ago #30
I don't see a lot of evidence pointing towards your assertion Torchlight 19 hrs ago #21
More training for Proud Boys Brownshirts is not going to make a bit of difference SamuelTheThird 18 hrs ago #31
Yeah that's what happened choie 18 hrs ago #37
I have a question that I hope those with more knowledge on this can help explain Quiet Em 19 hrs ago #11
Victims refuse JBTaurus83 19 hrs ago #13
At the very minimum, DISARM ICE C_U_L8R 19 hrs ago #15
I recommend they never say ANYTHING aocommunalpunch 19 hrs ago #16
Because complicity has been an effective response so far! Duncan Grant 18 hrs ago #25
They should have a background check. No arrest Emile 18 hrs ago #26
No wonder so many Dems are registering as independent now. CousinIT 18 hrs ago #28
Something about beatings continuing until morale improves. n/t flvegan 18 hrs ago #29
Schumer and Jeffries are legitimate, elected leaders. gulliver 18 hrs ago #32
Wut? We can't call for the reining-in of ICE because we weren't elected? And we're trying to lose us the midterms Scrivener7 10 hrs ago #103
Both need to face a primary. This is being complicit in the torture and murder of US citizens as well as immigrants. Demsrule86 18 hrs ago #36
Schumer is not up until 28 SocialDemocrat61 17 hrs ago #49
no Dem leader could undo the funding right now bigtree 17 hrs ago #55
No matter how many times it's explained who votes for leadership, fact refuses to sink in. betsuni 16 hrs ago #72
seriously. I have a hard time believing that they don't know the leaders represent the membership bigtree 16 hrs ago #78
I know. Now I have the urge to use "refuse" in every sentence. betsuni 16 hrs ago #83
THEY DON'T CONTROL THE BUDGET bigtree 18 hrs ago #38
Again big thank you. betsuni 16 hrs ago #64
you're welcome, going back to my plough, now bigtree 16 hrs ago #66
Long worried about Schumer. Now worried about Jeffries. Nm Grins 18 hrs ago #39
Defunding ICE maliaSmith 18 hrs ago #40
While i agree something needs to be done Samael13 18 hrs ago #43
correct, I see less than half a dozen legislators in the article bigtree 16 hrs ago #63
How large is too large BidenRocks 18 hrs ago #45
Many Desirable Things Would be Possible if We Had a Democratic Majority in the House and Senate. MineralMan 17 hrs ago #50
I would assume that both the SocialDemocrat61 17 hrs ago #51
Our nation survived for 202 years without Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Thunderbeast 17 hrs ago #52
ICE was only formed in late 2003 as a response to 9/11 and the Homeland Security Act. It's budget then was Nanjeanne 17 hrs ago #53
Clickbait headline mcar 17 hrs ago #54
"Little interest" - oh, that's so much better! I'm relieved. Thank God. (nt) Duncan Grant 17 hrs ago #60
Better than refuse and the headline is misleading mcar 16 hrs ago #62
Regardless, they are doing nothing more than make speeches. Duncan Grant 16 hrs ago #67
I won't comment because I'd just get a post removed message CanonRay 17 hrs ago #56
Close the border! Leave law abiding people alone! OrlandoDem2 17 hrs ago #58
Childish belief there are simple easy solutions for everything but mean old Democrats refuse to do them. betsuni 16 hrs ago #61
Yeah orangecrush 16 hrs ago #80
Childish belief the designated leaders do no wrong Mysterian 11 hrs ago #100
Said nobody ever. betsuni 9 hrs ago #104
I'd like to see new leadership. hamsterjill 16 hrs ago #69
the members of the party elect their own leadership bigtree 13 hrs ago #96
Well, it's time for a change in my opinion. hamsterjill 12 hrs ago #98
Post removed Post removed 16 hrs ago #73
Didn't we all just have this same argument last week? MorbidButterflyTat 16 hrs ago #75
this time it's conveniently while Dems are meeting this week to make these decisions bigtree 13 hrs ago #97
It refuses to go away. We will see it again next week and the week after that and the week after that. betsuni 9 hrs ago #106
Makes me sick orangecrush 16 hrs ago #79
When maga has run its course, there will be time enough at last to regroup. usonian 15 hrs ago #85
This is war. They want to destroy us. I'm tired of nambie pambie pretending any of the is normal. flashman13 15 hrs ago #86
you don't even know their position on this, yay or nay bigtree 13 hrs ago #95
Possibly you missed a reporter asking Jefferies straight up whether he supported de-funding ICE. flashman13 11 hrs ago #99
that's specious bigtree 9 hrs ago #108
""Statements and letters are not enough, and the appropriations process Scrivener7 9 hrs ago #107
They seem to be "re-fighting last year's election"---- Jack Valentino 8 hrs ago #109
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