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angrychair

(11,731 posts)
41. Respectfully, I understand the optimism
Tue Jan 13, 2026, 01:56 PM
21 hrs ago

We all want to believe there is a bigger, better plan but history has shown us that is unlikely.

Unfortunately this is is sending the wrong message and could very much leave people feeling the Democratic Party is out of touch with its constituents.

(Frozen Water) Is terrorizing and murdering people. This is NOT an organization that can be reformed by a couple of policy changes. It is a paramilitary organization filled with illiterate, racist, xenophobic, violent, thugs that truly believe they are above the law and nothing about what Schumer and Jefferies are saying changes that.

Combined with Newsom's overt defense of billionaires and coming out completely against the idea of a billionaire tax and this has not been a good day for Democrats.

This is NOT what Democrats and Independents looking for a new way forward, what they want to hear. What is sounds like is more of the same if I'm being honest.

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I don't know if they want to reveal everything in their toolbox right now, so to speak Just_Vote_Dem 23 hrs ago #1
Keeping one's powder dry. Kid Berwyn 23 hrs ago #7
Seriously your comment is a bit reassuring vapor2 23 hrs ago #17
This is kinda the same argument many of us here on DU, including me, were making in regards to Merrick Garland, MarineCombatEngineer 23 hrs ago #18
I hear you, but Just_Vote_Dem 22 hrs ago #20
... orangecrush 19 hrs ago #76
maybe we could try... ret5hd 14 hrs ago #101
If a rogue militia gunning down American citizens with impunity is not the right time, what is? Scrivener7 14 hrs ago #102
1000% TIMES THIS. No more M.Garland-style hope. No more wishing Maru Kitteh 22 hrs ago #27
Garland handed over a fast moving investigation to Smith who brought an indictment with more than enough time to convict bigtree 21 hrs ago #48
Thank you! betsuni 20 hrs ago #57
Hey there, posse pal! MorbidButterflyTat 19 hrs ago #71
Giddy-up, partner! betsuni 19 hrs ago #77
You're preaching to the choir MorbidButterflyTat 19 hrs ago #70
When it was discovered he had stolen all that classified material questionseverything 19 hrs ago #81
This! A hundred times this!! CrispyQ 18 hrs ago #87
He for sure wouldn't be walking around freely questionseverything 18 hrs ago #88
anyone looking at how high profile prosecutions are challenged and appealed bigtree 17 hrs ago #89
If he was sitting in jail, waiting for trial like any other traitor would be questionseverything 17 hrs ago #90
that possibility just existed in the internet fantasy prosecution bigtree 17 hrs ago #91
We disagree and I don't feel the need to belittle you and that's your entire argument questionseverything 16 hrs ago #92
lol bigtree 16 hrs ago #94
Yeah right. choie 21 hrs ago #33
Respectfully, I understand the optimism angrychair 21 hrs ago #41
I appreciate the response Just_Vote_Dem 21 hrs ago #42
No worries at all angrychair 21 hrs ago #44
Thank you! Just_Vote_Dem 21 hrs ago #46
Seconding angrychair in my hopes that you improve hamsterjill 19 hrs ago #68
Thank you so much! Just_Vote_Dem 19 hrs ago #84
This message was self-deleted by its author orangecrush 19 hrs ago #74
They need to meet this moment leftstreet 23 hrs ago #2
Sadly, I think we need to face the fact that they won't. And our Democratic popularity will stay in the tank. Scrivener7 12 hrs ago #105
Gosh I hope they don't listen. Everyone knows defund is a TERRIBLE slogan. Maybe something like "we want nicer ICE?" WhiskeyGrinder 23 hrs ago #3
Seen on social media: I like my ICE crushed. CrispyQ 23 hrs ago #8
Saw the same meme the other day peggysue2 20 hrs ago #65
Defund is a third rail term Johonny 23 hrs ago #4
How about " Keep the Border Sealed-- Re-form Ice" Ars Longa 22 hrs ago #23
Build the case that ICE is wasting money, on jets for instance. dem4decades 21 hrs ago #34
I didn't want to defund them angrychair 21 hrs ago #47
Unlike Defund the Police, this is a movement/term I can 100% back. n/t Ms. Toad 21 hrs ago #35
"There is nothing impossible to him who will try." Kid Berwyn 23 hrs ago #5
They could write strict regulations into the bill Fiendish Thingy 23 hrs ago #6
what bill? bigtree 20 hrs ago #59
My comments were in the context of positions the leadership could take Fiendish Thingy 19 hrs ago #82
the members of their respective bodies chose them bigtree 16 hrs ago #93
"It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners." ― Albert Camus Ping Tung 23 hrs ago #9
Wanting to neuter ICE is a political loser... biocube 23 hrs ago #10
The only test they have to pass is a loyalty test. gab13by13 23 hrs ago #12
Yes they definitely need MORE money WhiskeyGrinder 23 hrs ago #14
Oh! So the ICE murderer just wasn't trained properly leftstreet 23 hrs ago #19
Yes, I think if we had the same requirements for police officers biocube 22 hrs ago #22
yeah we know cops never murder anybody WhiskeyGrinder 22 hrs ago #24
Nonsense leftstreet 21 hrs ago #30
I don't see a lot of evidence pointing towards your assertion Torchlight 22 hrs ago #21
More training for Proud Boys Brownshirts is not going to make a bit of difference SamuelTheThird 21 hrs ago #31
Yeah that's what happened choie 21 hrs ago #37
I have a question that I hope those with more knowledge on this can help explain Quiet Em 23 hrs ago #11
Victims refuse JBTaurus83 23 hrs ago #13
At the very minimum, DISARM ICE C_U_L8R 23 hrs ago #15
I recommend they never say ANYTHING aocommunalpunch 23 hrs ago #16
Because complicity has been an effective response so far! Duncan Grant 22 hrs ago #25
They should have a background check. No arrest Emile 22 hrs ago #26
No wonder so many Dems are registering as independent now. CousinIT 22 hrs ago #28
Something about beatings continuing until morale improves. n/t flvegan 22 hrs ago #29
Schumer and Jeffries are legitimate, elected leaders. gulliver 21 hrs ago #32
Wut? We can't call for the reining-in of ICE because we weren't elected? And we're trying to lose us the midterms Scrivener7 14 hrs ago #103
Both need to face a primary. This is being complicit in the torture and murder of US citizens as well as immigrants. Demsrule86 21 hrs ago #36
Schumer is not up until 28 SocialDemocrat61 21 hrs ago #49
no Dem leader could undo the funding right now bigtree 20 hrs ago #55
No matter how many times it's explained who votes for leadership, fact refuses to sink in. betsuni 19 hrs ago #72
seriously. I have a hard time believing that they don't know the leaders represent the membership bigtree 19 hrs ago #78
I know. Now I have the urge to use "refuse" in every sentence. betsuni 19 hrs ago #83
THEY DON'T CONTROL THE BUDGET bigtree 21 hrs ago #38
Again big thank you. betsuni 20 hrs ago #64
you're welcome, going back to my plough, now bigtree 20 hrs ago #66
Long worried about Schumer. Now worried about Jeffries. Nm Grins 21 hrs ago #39
Defunding ICE maliaSmith 21 hrs ago #40
While i agree something needs to be done Samael13 21 hrs ago #43
correct, I see less than half a dozen legislators in the article bigtree 20 hrs ago #63
How large is too large BidenRocks 21 hrs ago #45
Many Desirable Things Would be Possible if We Had a Democratic Majority in the House and Senate. MineralMan 21 hrs ago #50
I would assume that both the SocialDemocrat61 21 hrs ago #51
Our nation survived for 202 years without Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Thunderbeast 21 hrs ago #52
ICE was only formed in late 2003 as a response to 9/11 and the Homeland Security Act. It's budget then was Nanjeanne 21 hrs ago #53
Clickbait headline mcar 21 hrs ago #54
"Little interest" - oh, that's so much better! I'm relieved. Thank God. (nt) Duncan Grant 20 hrs ago #60
Better than refuse and the headline is misleading mcar 20 hrs ago #62
Regardless, they are doing nothing more than make speeches. Duncan Grant 20 hrs ago #67
I won't comment because I'd just get a post removed message CanonRay 20 hrs ago #56
Close the border! Leave law abiding people alone! OrlandoDem2 20 hrs ago #58
Childish belief there are simple easy solutions for everything but mean old Democrats refuse to do them. betsuni 20 hrs ago #61
Yeah orangecrush 19 hrs ago #80
Childish belief the designated leaders do no wrong Mysterian 14 hrs ago #100
Said nobody ever. betsuni 12 hrs ago #104
I'd like to see new leadership. hamsterjill 19 hrs ago #69
the members of the party elect their own leadership bigtree 16 hrs ago #96
Well, it's time for a change in my opinion. hamsterjill 15 hrs ago #98
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Didn't we all just have this same argument last week? MorbidButterflyTat 19 hrs ago #75
this time it's conveniently while Dems are meeting this week to make these decisions bigtree 16 hrs ago #97
It refuses to go away. We will see it again next week and the week after that and the week after that. betsuni 12 hrs ago #106
Makes me sick orangecrush 19 hrs ago #79
When maga has run its course, there will be time enough at last to regroup. usonian 18 hrs ago #85
This is war. They want to destroy us. I'm tired of nambie pambie pretending any of the is normal. flashman13 18 hrs ago #86
you don't even know their position on this, yay or nay bigtree 16 hrs ago #95
Possibly you missed a reporter asking Jefferies straight up whether he supported de-funding ICE. flashman13 14 hrs ago #99
that's specious bigtree 12 hrs ago #108
No it's not. It's more weak kneed non leadership. flashman13 9 min ago #110
""Statements and letters are not enough, and the appropriations process Scrivener7 12 hrs ago #107
They seem to be "re-fighting last year's election"---- Jack Valentino 12 hrs ago #109
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