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eppur_se_muova

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20. Automation and cheap Asian labor has made it cheaper to replace than to repair.
Tue Jan 13, 2026, 06:22 PM
10 hrs ago

You can now buy beginner-level musical instruments such as trumpets and flutes for under $100. They are usually made in either Taiwan or the PRC (sometimes Korea, but my *overall* impression is that the Korean companies are pursuing the higher-value markets, and put more emphasis on quality. Exceptions no doubt abound.) They cut costs to the bone, using cheaper alloys and thinner metal, and are often assembled with robot-installed screws that are, by design, one-use only. Machines screw them in with the screws cutting their own threads on the way in, and badly degrading them on the way out. In the past, repair shops would drill out a stripped thread, insert a brass bushing thread to fit a new screw, and the instrument would be almost as good as new, although the bushing would now be subject to wear and probably a first point of failure. Now there may not be enough metal to support a bushing -- drilling out the old threads may just break the post (or whatever the screw was in). If you buy one of these instruments for your kid to play in band class, know that the cost of any repair will probably be 50% or more of the cost of a new instrument. With a flute or clarinet, you can throw out the joint with the damage and replace it with one from a new instrument, and hope the next time there's damage it's on a different joint so you can "cannibalize" the new to keep the old working! With trumpets the most common damage is most likely to the thread on the valve caps, which are made of such thin metal that the threads must be very fine, and finer threads in soft metal are easier to cross-thread. Once the threads are damaged, re-threading is not an option -- too little metal, and too weak. An experienced repairman can de-solder an assembled valve casing and replace a damaged valve, but I've been told that the mass-produced trumpets from China tend to desolder everywhere if you heat them anywhere -- basically, the valve assembly will fall apart as fast as you can repair. Buy a new trumpet.

Of course, this is even more true with electronic devices -- they get smaller and cheaper every year, and repair becomes almost impossible because of the specialized knowledge and parts required. Junk and replace is faster, cheaper, AND easier. It's hard to see how this trend can be mitigated at all.

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It started with farmers spending $$$$$$ on tractors/combines with no ability to repair hlthe2b 11 hrs ago #1
Speaking of Amazon, I recently needed a skin graph after my MOHs surgery. Dr. ordered it from Amazon. Who knew! SheilaAnn 11 hrs ago #3
Well, they want to sell everything... hlthe2b 11 hrs ago #8
I thought she was kidding at first but voila. $8,000 worth. She said they do have an extensive medical dept. n/t SheilaAnn 11 hrs ago #12
Amazon has its own online pharmacy. ananda 10 hrs ago #24
What's preventing repair of this item? bucolic_frolic 11 hrs ago #2
There is no way for me to disassemble the heater to access the area Coventina 11 hrs ago #7
Oh, now I see where you're coming from bucolic_frolic 11 hrs ago #14
I think that's called a "tip switch", because it triggers when the device tips over. surrealAmerican 11 hrs ago #4
Point taken. But I also feel that "planned obsolescence" is a major problem as well. Coventina 11 hrs ago #10
Absolutely! SheltieLover 11 hrs ago #5
Having the legal right to repair is not the same as having stuff that is possible to repair. Intractable 11 hrs ago #6
I understand and agree. I guess I was envisioning a return to a time (haha!) Coventina 11 hrs ago #11
Automation and cheap Asian labor has made it cheaper to replace than to repair. eppur_se_muova 10 hrs ago #20
I think it's an extremely important issue canetoad 11 hrs ago #9
Pollution and waste is corporate design. Blue Full Moon 11 hrs ago #13
Ask any farmer that owns a large piece of equipment made by John Deere A HERETIC I AM 11 hrs ago #15
Right to ForgedCrank 11 hrs ago #16
"The goal is that you will own nothing and like it." Jedi Guy 9 hrs ago #35
Any device that is held together with screws can be opened. :) eppur_se_muova 10 hrs ago #17
As "A HERETIC I AM" posted earlier, John Deere is the poster child for walkingman 10 hrs ago #18
Have you heard of the black market for John Deere software? A HERETIC I AM 9 hrs ago #30
Frequently screws are hidden under decals. Prairie_Seagull 10 hrs ago #19
"Removing sticker violates warranty" is old hat on hard drives and other computer components. eppur_se_muova 10 hrs ago #22
BMW has applied for a patent on a proprietary screw, so only their dealers and servicemen can repair your car. eppur_se_muova 10 hrs ago #21
YES, I think it's important Raine 10 hrs ago #23
"Right to Repair" doesn't mean it has to be easy to repair or that all parts have to be made available MichMan 10 hrs ago #25
If you own a John Deere product it sure is. It needs to be stopped now before more of us with other products get stuck. marble falls 9 hrs ago #26
yes. i need to be able to fix it myself rampartd 9 hrs ago #27
"Right to repair" is extremely important, but your issue is not one of right to repair. NT. mahatmakanejeeves 9 hrs ago #28
While it's not a burning priority for most of us right now. . . DinahMoeHum 9 hrs ago #29
Trinket rich but equity poor. CrispyQ 9 hrs ago #31
Don't get me started about cars Wednesdays 9 hrs ago #32
Yes! Tasmanian Devil 9 hrs ago #33
See if you can find a exact model cheap, that doesn't work, but you can pull parts off of it. n/t aggiesal 9 hrs ago #34
I believe in a right to repair kbowman 9 hrs ago #36
This is bigger than repairs MadameButterfly 8 hrs ago #37
Not me. ForgedCrank 7 hrs ago #39
products made and not quality maliaSmith 8 hrs ago #38
What really annoys me... CaptainTruth 7 hrs ago #40
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