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117. that's nonsense

Wed Jan 14, 2026, 02:58 PM

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...based on the lie in the op that claimed they 'refused' something.

There's no evidence they refused anything. The caucus is meeting this week and they will carry forward with the consensus of the people they represent; the people who voted for the leaders to represent them in their respective bodies.

This entire premise is a lie.

Do people understand that these leaders don't dictate anything to the Dems who elected them leader? They're not autocrats. The party operates by the consensus of the members, not the fiat of it's leadership. It's been that way for generations.

What the fuck do people think they have to threaten members with? Why would anyone want that in the first place?

This entire premise is sophistry and specious reasoning that ignores the realities of the system in which they are tasked to operate.

To me is sounds like scapegoating for voter failure to give them the majority they need to do more than this performative nonsense people demand from a party out of power.

How does anyone actually know how many votes there are to delay the budget again when they're positing like that's superfluous to their own projections?

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