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AZJonnie

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17. Claude would have seen this bit, in Goonch's follow-up, which said this:
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 07:18 PM
Feb 13
The Text: While the ending description of floating in the vacuum because the Earth moved is the actual twist of Shusterman's story, the specific phrasing ("Elias punched the coordinates," "cold, indifferent glow of distant nebulae," etc.) does not match the published text. It appears to be a modern AI-generated "re-telling" or a hallucination of the specific prose.


Therefore Claude assumed that the other AI knew what it was talking about, which it did. Because the Goonch's AI said it "appears to be a modern AI-generated "re-telling" or a hallucination of the specific prose", and THAT is indeed true i.e. that IS "what (the offending quote) *appears* to be". Claude then made the one (and only major) mistake of interpreting "appears to be" to mean "is", and riffed on the idea, which is describing a real phenomenon/how this sort of thing happens generally. That isn't that bad IMHO.

The reason the 'canonical' connection was not made is because either the text of the short story is not visible to it, OR it does not significantly match Goonch's quote, which I provided it with and implied the original it may feature a protagonist named Marla or Elias, but is largely matching this text provided.

To test this hypothesis, here's the rundown with what happened in Claude when I tried what Goonch tried, switching it up enough that Claude wouldn't find the DU thread we're on:

I'm trying to remember a story I read (scifi) where the protagonist tried do time travel (forget if it was the past or future) but it didn't work because the universe had grown or something like that and they ended up in space instead. Can you think what that sounds like?
That sounds very much like the classic “time travel puts you in empty space because Earth moved” setup, but there isn’t one single famous novel that owns this premise; it shows up in multiple short stories and discussions. One very close match is a short story described in reader recollections where a scientist sends a doll into the future with a time machine, and when a human finally uses it, they arrive in outer space because the Earth has moved along its orbit and is no longer at those coordinates. (snip)


I think they tried to move exactly 1 year and the time traveler was female?
You’re almost certainly remembering a specific short story that a lot of people only recall in fragments: two kids (or teens) find a hidden basement with a scientist’s time machine, test it on an object (often a doll or teddy bear), and later the girl uses it herself, jumping a fixed short interval into the future (often “about a year” in retellings) and materializing in space because the machine only shifts time, not position, while Earth has moved along its orbit. (snip)


I think the protagonist's name is Marla, does that help?
Yes, that absolutely nails it down: it’s the short story “Same Time, Next Year” by Neal Shusterman, from his collection Darkness Creeping: Twenty Twisted Tales.

Key matching details:

The protagonist is a girl named Marla Nixbok who thinks of herself as a futuristic type and becomes obsessed with a forgotten time machine built by a mad scientist. (snip)


Is the full text available to you? If so, can you recall a couple paragraphs around the denouement where she finds herself in space, that exact moment?
I don’t have the full text of “Same Time, Next Year” available, and even if I did, that story is still under copyright, so I can’t reproduce exact paragraphs from the denouement.


I understand and agree with the large majority of your complaints in general, but I'm not coding missile guidance systems over here. Heck a lot of what I do is purely internal for our inhouse systems, which are web-based.

And I have never seen Claude do anything REMOTELY like what happened with Goonch.

ETA: If someone used AI to write a story similar to Same Time, Next Year, gave it a name of Elias to use as protagonist, and that user had the "use my input for training" checkbox turned on, that can be why we saw Goonch's answer, even if "someone" never published what AI wrote for it onto the internet itself.

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Thx to you & Goonch SheltieLover Feb 13 #1
Lol for fun I asked an AI the reason for the discrepancy and gave it the passage from your post AZJonnie Feb 13 #2
Not sure what you mean. It quoted one of my replies in that Science Fiction thread, or it quoted highplainsdem Feb 13 #4
I mean it literally sourced from this very thread AZJonnie Feb 13 #7
Claude is clueless. There is an actual story. I posted links about it in the earlier thread I linked to. There highplainsdem Feb 13 #9
It's not surprising that it got confused, this entire discussion is extremely circular AZJonnie Feb 13 #13
I would've expected any bot to at least follow the links in both threads, which would have shown that highplainsdem Feb 13 #15
Claude would have seen this bit, in Goonch's follow-up, which said this: AZJonnie Feb 13 #17
Interesting seeing you try to defend Claude's inane answer, when this thread links to the older thread highplainsdem Feb 15 #19
I guess I am, given you don't know what the actual prompt was, yet are arbitrarily coming up with a strawman AZJonnie Feb 15 #20
If there was anything close to intelligence in Claude, the highplainsdem Feb 15 #21
Why must you insist it's a delusional tangent AZJonnie Feb 15 #22
No, the problem using genAI is with genAI and its inherent flaws. Anyone who's ever used genAI should highplainsdem Feb 16 #27
And, The Chatbot Is Still Wrong ProfessorGAC Feb 13 #3
+1. It's patent nonsense dalton99a Feb 13 #5
I don't know about that one, Professor :) AZJonnie Feb 13 #8
I'm Going To Say No ProfessorGAC Feb 13 #11
Obviously I know I don't know nearly as much on this topic as you do, so I generally defer, Sir :) AZJonnie Feb 13 #14
Pretty Much ProfessorGAC Feb 13 #16
Can you name a movie in which one person occupied two places at the same time? Orrex Feb 16 #29
BTTF Is A Prime Example, Yes ProfessorGAC Feb 16 #33
Right, but that's not the same Marty in two places at once Orrex Feb 16 #34
Not Getting You ProfessorGAC Feb 16 #35
I think we're differing on what qualifies as the "same" person Orrex Feb 16 #37
Oh wait. I just caught your bit about "lack of matter available" Orrex Feb 16 #38
These tools don't just fabricate fiction. They fabricate citations in law and science pieces. RockRaven Feb 13 #6
Yes. I mentioned that in the earlier thread I linked to. I've posted lots of warnings here over the last few years highplainsdem Feb 13 #10
+1. AI is essentially a smooth-talking buzzword-spewing bullshitter with an unlimited capacity for plagiarism dalton99a Feb 13 #12
Exactly. highplainsdem Feb 15 #18
When ChatGPT became popular, people said AI systems really need to provide sources. Renew Deal Feb 15 #24
Good catch Renew Deal Feb 15 #23
Thanks - but I wouldn't have caught it if I hadn't already looked at a number of websites about the story so highplainsdem Feb 16 #25
Yikes. So how do we combat this? It's only going to get worse. Scrivener7 Feb 16 #26
Yeah, it's getting scary. I posted something I didn't know was AI. I took it down as soon as mucifer Feb 16 #28
It's really bad in the political commentary video space Renew Deal Feb 16 #31
I suspect AI systems will be like fish farms. cachukis Feb 16 #30
I miss the old Google. Hell, I miss the old Alta Vista. haele Feb 16 #32
Anyone can make up a quote. GoCubsGo Feb 16 #36
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