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Igel

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13. Perhaps learning to read English.
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 10:15 AM
19 hrs ago

I've always liked garden-path sentenced.

The horse raced around the barn fell down.

Or multiple subordinated clauses: The dog the kid the mother saw fed barked. (Lots don't like that kind of subordination--they can handle 1 layer, "The dog the kid fed barked" but lose the thread with the 2nd level.)

Once was reading something in German and I just couldn't get a sentence to cohere. Took it to a native speaker. She read it. Read the paragraph it was in. Read the sentence again. Read the sentence again. Out loud. Then again, with different pauses. Finally got it to click. It was the three verbs at the end and unpacking the structure(s) embedded before them that threw her/me/us. Formal, academic German.

(Russian can pull off some doozies, either because of the syntax that's there or the widespread variety of elliptical devices and zero-copula. English-learners also don't like things like pseudogapping, esp. if their verbal morphology involves suffixes: "They have been eating the apples more than they have the oranges" (ex. from Wiki). Last thing I read about ellipsis was Marjorie McShane's diss, but that's been more than 20 years ago.)

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Some punctuation might help. :-) TheRickles 20 hrs ago #8
Ain't that the truth. n/t malthaussen 20 hrs ago #11
That's the sentence I'd like to drag my seventh-grade teacher to and say... malthaussen 20 hrs ago #9
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Ah but goose has yet another meaning. If you get goosed more than once is it geesed? twodogsbarking 17 hrs ago #17
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Do you really want to know? Chellee 15 hrs ago #29
I always want to learn something malaise 15 hrs ago #31
You're welcome Chellee 8 hrs ago #37
That letter is silent until I sez it aint! paleotn 20 hrs ago #12
French is the worst.. Permanut 15 hrs ago #28
Perhaps learning to read English. Igel 19 hrs ago #13
Spelled "ghoti" sounds exactly like "fish." Kid Berwyn 19 hrs ago #15
Haha malaise 18 hrs ago #16
When I was living in Catalunya, it was a requirement to learn the one about the setze jutges (sixteen judges) DFW 16 hrs ago #19
Haha malaise 16 hrs ago #20
When my daughters were very little I taught them the first part of that DFW 16 hrs ago #21
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5.8 million views DFW 15 hrs ago #25
Well I know every word for this one malaise 15 hrs ago #26
These words were part of one of the very very early I Love Lucy episodes sdfernando 15 hrs ago #27
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Thanks malaise 14 hrs ago #33
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