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Bluetus

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229. Without a doubt. And Dems -- all Dems -- should be repeating that list.

Wed Feb 18, 2026, 12:45 PM

Wednesday

We need three lists:
1) The things that the House will do if the public gives us control of the House in 2027. We can't do everything, but the Power of the Purse is a big hammer. We must use it and tell the people NOW what we will do with that power.

2) The list of things we will do if the people give us both the House and Senate in 2027. If we remain prisoners of the filibuster, we can't do much. So Dems owe the people a clear strategy for how we will reduce or eliminate the filibuster and what we will do with that power.

3) The list of things a President (doesn't matter who -- there are a dozen things they should all agree to without reservation) with do with EOs the first day, and the other changes we will fight for legislatively if the public gives us both houses and the Presidency n 2029.

Dems need to get over their fear of being specific about major things like health care.Americans always favor the bold. Democrats need to be bold, aggressive and unyielding.

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It is not an act of loyalty to quash conversations about our own party's role in getting to where we are today. [View all] Scrivener7 Feb 17 OP

Maybe that's why EarlG gave us The Way Forward forum. quaint Feb 17 #1

The posting rules are the same everywhere on DU EarlG Feb 17 #84

A concern is, snot Feb 17 #202

To answer your questions EarlG Feb 17 #209

Thank you; that all sounds good. snot Wednesday #238

Get a candidate who supports those things to run in a primary creeksneakers2 Wednesday #211

I did: snot Wednesday #237

Good creeksneakers2 Thursday #240

I try to be loyal to truth, beauty, what appears to me to be most constructive, snot Saturday #247

I didn't blame Bernie creeksneakers2 Sunday #248

It's a bit tricky... ._. Feb 17 #2

Yup, what Jason Crow said last week on TV gab13by13 Feb 17 #7

Sorry, it's not the Democratic Party. It's Republican voters, third party voters, and petulant nonvoters lapucelle Feb 17 #3

Kamala Harris won the election. gab13by13 Feb 17 #6

Yup, pedo Trump cheated on the vote count Farmer-Rick Feb 17 #30

That's a perfect way to keep losing iemanja Wednesday #213

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Wednesday #233

It's a perfect way to lose Farmer-Rick Thursday #242

Obviously Trump is trying to control the midterm vote iemanja Thursday #243

What??????????? Huh? Say what? Farmer-Rick Thursday #245

Yup! yellow dahlia Feb 17 #77

I'm noticing JustAnotherGen Feb 17 #9

I can count the leftists I've actually corresponded with online TBF Feb 17 #93

I can't do that JustAnotherGen Feb 17 #119

Can you "be in community" with Donald Trump? TBF Feb 17 #140

I disagree JustAnotherGen Feb 17 #145

What is "Magapub/CSA" - TBF Feb 17 #159

Magapub JustAnotherGen Feb 17 #163

I am old school labor - originally from Wisconsin TBF Feb 17 #179

And maga-pub IS NOT a political party---- it is a criminal domestic terrorist organization Jack Valentino Feb 17 #207

Thank you sir! JustAnotherGen Wednesday #222

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Feb 17 #166

Full Disclosure - I'm in NJ JustAnotherGen Feb 17 #149

This insists that any change must come from our opposition. Scrivener7 Feb 17 #36

I work hard, every single year, to elect Democrats in races big and small. lapucelle Feb 17 #45

I think we here all work hard to elect Democrats. And we have been doing so for years. And yet, here we are. Scrivener7 Feb 17 #48

Work harder to shut down opposition narratives, most especially those from purists and punishers lapucelle Feb 17 #52

Which, by definition, has nothing to do with shutting down discussions on DU. Scrivener7 Feb 17 #53

To begin with, expressing an opinion on a topic is not "shutting down discussion" on a topic. lapucelle Feb 17 #66

Really? Cirsium Feb 17 #92

That's an odd definition of "purist". lapucelle Feb 17 #99

Exactly Cirsium Feb 17 #117

Even given the definitional problems (and notwithstanding the random use of latin), lapucelle Feb 17 #127

hi back Cirsium Feb 17 #128

Recognizing a Latin word and saying your conclusion doesn't follow from your premises is not an argument either Ilikepurple Feb 17 #198

Creating your own three term argument by merging two distinct and seperate terms into one lapucelle Wednesday #221

You said even given the definitional problems, there conclusion does not follow Ilikepurple Wednesday #236

You merged two terms into one in an attempt to create a syllogism where none exists. lapucelle Wednesday #239

I didn't take that as an attack JustAnotherGen Feb 17 #180

agreed Cirsium Feb 17 #183

We shouldn't "shut down" speech Just_Vote_Dem Feb 17 #97

Couldn't agree more with you more Scrivener. choie Feb 17 #49

It's defining the mistakes JustAnotherGen Feb 17 #181

Personally... Chemical Bill Feb 17 #190

Yes! mcar Wednesday #234

I agree with you 100% Scrivener7. It is not a fluke that we are in this mess. flashman13 Feb 17 #71

I'm really looking forward to the primaries too. We have an incredible bench, and Scrivener7 Feb 17 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Feb 17 #208

+1 leftstreet Feb 17 #103

Joe Biden WAS a great President. Chemical Bill Feb 17 #193

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Well said. Thank you again! KPN Feb 17 #132

Isn't amazing that SocialDemocrat61 Feb 17 #40

Thanks for illustrating the problem. FoxNewsSucks Feb 17 #65

The problem is Trump and republicans SocialDemocrat61 Feb 17 #75

I have never seen anyone here say that Democrats are the enemy FoxNewsSucks Feb 17 #78

Good SocialDemocrat61 Feb 17 #88

And what Scrivener is asking is HOW did we get here? CrispyQ Feb 17 #100

We got here because of Republicans SocialDemocrat61 Feb 17 #110

So was it an attack or not? Ilikepurple Feb 17 #192

Have a nice day SocialDemocrat61 Feb 17 #194

What are you doing? Cirsium Feb 17 #94

Have a nice day! SocialDemocrat61 Feb 17 #98

With deliberate misrepresentation MorbidButterflyTat Feb 17 #109

Have a nice day! SocialDemocrat61 Feb 17 #111

Unrec. This is why we can't have nice things. TBF Feb 17 #112

It's the Democratic Party which nominates candidates which voters either accept or reject Jose Garcia Feb 17 #154

With the (somewhat) arguable exception of 2024, voters choose the candidates. lapucelle Feb 17 #165

Mahalo, lapucelle! Some seem to forget Cha Feb 17 #170

Thank you for this thread, gab13by13 Feb 17 #4

I'm firmly in the FIGHT NOW group. n/t PatrickforB Feb 17 #34

Same here. And I'm highly suspect of the motives of anyone demanding we do otherwise. FoxNewsSucks Feb 17 #67

Careful! Floyd R. Turbo Feb 17 #5

Yep. And that's the problem. This has nothing to do with criticizing Democrats. It has to do with looking at Scrivener7 Feb 17 #8

Jason Crow backs up your thread, gab13by13 Feb 17 #19

I'm with you right up until the part about nominating a republican. But I get your point. Scrivener7 Feb 17 #22

Miles Taylor has no political experience and we know karynnj Feb 17 #38

Not fair comparing Miles Taylor with Liz Cheney, gab13by13 Feb 17 #57

I will listen to him but just based on what you said MadameButterfly Feb 17 #63

I remember all the support here for Michael Avenatti for a presidential run. MichMan Feb 17 #64

That doesn't mean we shouldn't want fighters, FoxNewsSucks Feb 17 #68

I remember it and thinking it beyond stupid karynnj Feb 17 #74

While I'm grateful to Conservatives who have drawn a line and chosen to MadameButterfly Feb 17 #62

nominating a REPUKE? Skittles Wednesday #217

If we don't look at the issues of the Dem structure, and question it, then we are in a cult... yellow dahlia Feb 17 #81

If you look at my sig line JustAnotherGen Feb 17 #10

They want all poor people dead, depopulation is a part of Project 2025. gab13by13 Feb 17 #20

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever Ping Tung Feb 17 #11

"I am a Christian and a Democrat. That's all": FDR, when asked to define his political philosophy. lapucelle Feb 17 #21

That was his choice. That's what democracy is supposed to be about...choice. Ping Tung Feb 17 #26

Yes, folks choose to vote for Republicans or third-party candidates or to withhold any vote as punishment lapucelle Feb 17 #120

And add mainstream media to that list Just_Vote_Dem Feb 17 #125

Just as there's nothing wrong calling out the politicians who support or vote for Ping Tung Feb 17 #143

Sir, this is a Wendy's Johnny2X2X Feb 17 #12

I'm not talking about ripping on Dems and I'm not talking about anything that violates the TOS. Scrivener7 Feb 17 #13

I'd be willing to bet that the same posters jumping all over you also FoxNewsSucks Feb 17 #69

I actually express hatred JustAnotherGen Feb 17 #184

Fire the strategists and consultant class, The party needs to stop making the same mistakes. yellow dahlia Feb 17 #86

YES! The 'strategists' and 'Consultants" don't seem to have Bettie Feb 17 #137

That really is at the base of all of it. Scrivener7 Feb 17 #144

The other thing that would make a HUGE difference Bettie Feb 17 #146

Indeed. yellow dahlia Feb 17 #186

Any time we stop speaking truth, we benefit those who want to hide the truth. hamsterjill Feb 17 #14

Yours is a great post also, gab13by13 Feb 17 #23

Thank you. hamsterjill Feb 17 #24

Agreed! yellow dahlia Feb 17 #87

It's just demographics Sympthsical Feb 17 #15

But at this point, none of us is. I'm that comfortable boomer you describe. Scrivener7 Feb 17 #16

Absolutely Sympthsical Feb 17 #27

Cheerleaders, the party is always right, swarm, posse, toe the line, echo chamber, blind loyalty, marching in lockstep, betsuni Feb 17 #17

And supposedly, MorbidButterflyTat Feb 17 #116

. SunImp Feb 17 #131

Finding out facts instead of leaping to negative conclusions about Democrats is mocked as mindless loyalty. Projection. betsuni Feb 17 #164

We failed to read history, but it's only now that history is understood at all bucolic_frolic Feb 17 #18

Somewhat related to your OP, discussions quickly sink... harumph Feb 17 #25

So much yes to this! All those bad movies about evil conglomerates trying to rule the world? Scrivener7 Feb 17 #29

My daughter quipped the other day - "Who knew the original Superman movie was a road map..." harumph Feb 17 #42

We are at a confluence of all the evil empire "Bond villain" types. yellow dahlia Feb 17 #90

Time for a paradigm shift. yellow dahlia Feb 17 #89

It's a return to 1877 to 1965 JustAnotherGen Wednesday #231

As I have said before: popsdenver Feb 17 #39

Amen, sis! demmiblue Feb 17 #28

I cleared my ignore list a while ago Bettie Feb 17 #142

Trump 2.0 could have been prevented by closing the border and having a normal primary dalton99a Feb 17 #31

Thank you! intheflow Feb 17 #32

I agree popsdenver Feb 17 #43

... SSJVegeta Feb 17 #33

In his diplomatic, inoffensive way, I think President Obama pointed the way Martin Eden Feb 17 #35

I make no bones about it JustAnotherGen Feb 17 #188

DURec leftstreet Feb 17 #37

For example, gab13by13 Feb 17 #41

I think that's a perfect example because it's my opinion that, if Democratic leaders had not gotten so much Scrivener7 Feb 17 #44

Yep, things changed Just_Vote_Dem Feb 17 #46

And it seems like it took a little outrage to convince them of the fact. Scrivener7 Feb 17 #50

That's the problem in a nutshell. AloeVera Feb 17 #102

People are pissed at the wait-and-see say-nothing do-nothing approach. dalton99a Feb 17 #47

We're in a partial shutdown at the moment. lapucelle Feb 17 #113

Eight Democrats voted to end the fillibuster in October, ten in March. Scrivener7 Feb 17 #126

Your vote counts in both instances are off by one. lapucelle Feb 17 #133

So a groundswell of constituent opinion has no effect on your elected officials? Scrivener7 Feb 17 #134

Social media posts and constituent opinion are two very different things. N/T lapucelle Feb 17 #167

i completely agree with you. We should be able to speak freely if it is for constructive reason samsingh Feb 17 #51

That's a good example of a topic we should discuss in detail. Scrivener7 Feb 17 #114

exactly - and given the power trump is wielding samsingh Feb 17 #121

So the lesson, which I hope we have learned, is that we release it all as soon as we are able. Scrivener7 Feb 17 #122

there can be no healing until the crimes are punished samsingh Feb 17 #123

Concise and to the point. Well said. Escurumbele Feb 17 #54

100% Agree, Scrivener 7. If we can't see our own part in something we can't improve... johnnyplankton Feb 17 #55

Everything changes except one thing that was never addressed, and still isn't. usonian Feb 17 #56

It is important to note that WE elected our officials to represent us Grim Chieftain Feb 17 #58

That's why we have primaries SocialDemocrat61 Feb 17 #60

And if they don't uphold the promises they made in the primaries? Grim Chieftain Feb 17 #70

Really depends on the promises they made SocialDemocrat61 Feb 17 #76

And it doesn't need to be a fight. I made mistakes in my job. Scrivener7 Feb 17 #79

Agreed. yellow dahlia Feb 17 #95

Wanting to learn from the past & do better in the future... CaptainTruth Feb 17 #59

Good Luck with that here. n/t ihaveaquestion Feb 17 #61

When do we rank-n-file types get to see the Election 2024 Postmortem? Kid Berwyn Feb 17 #72

Spot on! yellow dahlia Feb 17 #96

Yup Joinfortmill Feb 17 #80

This is what those finger-waggers really are FoxNewsSucks Feb 17 #82

I do think the DNC is starting to realize that much of the grass roots is really pissed at the party leadership Bluetus Feb 17 #83

I think recent events have provided us with a pretty extensive list of things we Scrivener7 Feb 17 #85

I have a list. You have a list. The Party does not have a list. Bluetus Feb 17 #105

Without a doubt. And Dems -- all Dems -- should be repeating that list. Bluetus Wednesday #229

Please link to these threads: MorbidButterflyTat Feb 17 #91

There was one in particular this morning that was a good example. I can't link to it. For reasons I will not state. Scrivener7 Feb 17 #107

Milquetoast, strongly worded letters, old guard, status quo, gerontocracy, Vichy Dems, Surrender Dems, betsuni Feb 17 #124

Good post Scrivener7, and a worthwhile question to ask. I feel the biggest mistake we may have made is to underestimate c-rational Feb 17 #101

Definitely. I agree with all of that. Scrivener7 Feb 17 #115

Right? They see us as the enemy Bettie Feb 17 #147

Well said, Scrivener. yellow dahlia Feb 17 #104

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Feb 17 #106

I see the same cheerleaders on this thread. hamsterjill Feb 17 #108

I hear you. harumph Feb 17 #150

You are absolutely correct! hamsterjill Feb 17 #199

Our role in getting here today Quiet Em Feb 17 #118

Sadly, I think this is true. We have lost so much civil rights ground Scrivener7 Feb 17 #139

I am 59 Bettie Feb 17 #151

The adults gulliver Feb 17 #129

The Democrats I know aren't lazy, neglectful OR self-indulgent. Scrivener7 Feb 17 #135

"Romans and countrymen, lend me your ears?" gulliver Feb 17 #136

Thank you so much Scrivener. KPN Feb 17 #130

Great OP SunImp Feb 17 #138

Thank you for the thread canetoad Feb 17 #141

Loyalty means being willing to examine our own missteps Torchlight Feb 17 #148

It's not possible currently to discuss mistakes and we are doomed to repeat them again. Melon Feb 17 #152

How is it happening in Texas? SocialDemocrat61 Feb 17 #156

Beto Melon Feb 17 #162

What's he running for? SocialDemocrat61 Feb 17 #169

See Below Quote Melon Feb 17 #172

So what did Beto SocialDemocrat61 Feb 17 #173

This thread is all about why we don't do that.... Melon Feb 17 #175

So who should run in Texas? SocialDemocrat61 Feb 17 #176

This and your gatekeeping is the issue that prevents open discussion and improvement. Melon Feb 17 #177

I'm just trying to understand SocialDemocrat61 Feb 17 #178

Why? Are you in Texas? Or are you trying to gatekeep? Melon Feb 17 #191

No, but am trying to understand what is going on In Texas. SocialDemocrat61 Feb 17 #196

And I say again...go read the threads on Talarico or Crockett Melon Feb 17 #210

I was asking for your perspective SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #215

I have a relative running for the Senate, so luckily Scrivener7 Feb 17 #157

It has nothing to do with being loyal. It's about fighting back against (often) unfair and unwarranted criticism. W_HAMILTON Feb 17 #153

Well, "bullshit criticism" is in the eye of the beholder. Orrex Feb 17 #195

I wasn't defending Garland (especially towards the end) nor was I backstabbing Hillary and Kamala. W_HAMILTON Thursday #241

I may be late to this discussion, but I read it early this morning and just now thought I would add my 2cents. Ninga Feb 17 #155

We had the clear advantage in social media Scrivener7 Wednesday #223

We do not need to do this before midterms and publicly oldmanlynn Feb 17 #158

Suicidal has been the lack of transparency and free discussion Melon Feb 17 #161

The right time is always behind closed doors oldmanlynn Wednesday #218

Absolutely agree! And I've noticed another of the cheerleaders' tactics: Orrex Feb 17 #160

That's not an accurate metaphor for your point EdmondDantes_ Feb 17 #187

Thanks, but I know what I've seen, and I'm ready to be judged Orrex Feb 17 #189

No I expressly don't. But you leap to that conclusion EdmondDantes_ Feb 17 #203

Let's just say that the discussion's been going on since before July 21, 2024 Orrex Feb 17 #204

And they feel just as strongly as you do about their name calling being calling it as they see it EdmondDantes_ Feb 17 #205

I've accused you of exactly nothing except joining the conversation late Orrex Feb 17 #206

To quote you EdmondDantes_ Wednesday #220

LOL. No, read it again Orrex Wednesday #226

Sure thing. It's not like you were replying to me or anything EdmondDantes_ Wednesday #228

Bless your heart. Orrex Wednesday #230

The key: 100% confidence one is 100% correct, obviously morally righteously correct. betsuni Wednesday #212

This part: Scrivener7 Wednesday #224

I would remark that biggest reason Dems "lost" Mblaze Feb 17 #168

Sounds like you have a problem with the jury system. LudwigPastorius Feb 17 #171

She just made the argument iemanja Wednesday #214

No. I think the jury system is kind of genius, actually. Scrivener7 Wednesday #225

I choose to belong to the Democratic party Progressive dog Feb 17 #174

I choose to exercise my democratic rights iemanja Wednesday #216

of course you do Progressive dog Wednesday #227

Nether productive or appropriate? iemanja Wednesday #232

Time and place. Zelda_Orchid Feb 17 #182

Based OP. BannonsLiver Feb 17 #185

The number of RECs, replies, and views to this OP shows just how important to the DU community... Ol Janx Spirit Feb 17 #197

I think we all have perspectives and ideas that have value, even if only to further a productive dialectic Ilikepurple Feb 17 #201

Absolutely agree & Thank You for saying it! 👍nt Raine Feb 17 #200

complicit poozwah Wednesday #219

I agree. But using terms like mcar Wednesday #235

Whenever anyone takes such great care to parse language to justify... QueerDuck Thursday #244