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Cirsium

(3,744 posts)
42. Winning what?
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 07:26 PM
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Continually adjusting our agenda based on what we think will win is exactly what has allowed the right wing to become so powerful and dominant.

Abolition was once a "pipe dream." Women's suffrage was once a "pipe dream." Organized Labor was once a "pipe dream." The National Park system was once a "pipe dream." Medicare and Social Security were "pipe dreams." The Land Grant college system, and Cooperative extension and the entire food safety infrastructure were once "pipe dreams."

In each of those cases, there were people saying what you are saying here. Usually the lead in is "don't get me wrong, I agree with you BUT..." "It isn't practical." "Now is not the time." "First we need to win." "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good."

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AOC did a great job...the usual anti-progressive forces are focusing on a few little flubs Prairie Gates Thursday #1
Senator or President Renew Deal Thursday #7
Pass. This is just wishful thinking for anyone to think she could ever be nominated... QueerDuck Thursday #10
Ending the electoral college is an even bigger fantasy. BannonsLiver Thursday #15
LOL! Neither one is going to happen. QueerDuck Thursday #17
Everything is "unrealistic" Cirsium Thursday #27
Winning is more important that pursuing pipe-dreams. This is a pipe-dream. QueerDuck Thursday #31
Winning what? Cirsium Thursday #42
If you need to ask then there's no point in... QueerDuck Thursday #45
Why post at all? Cirsium Thursday #47
It's a mistake to interpret my unwillingness to play games with you... QueerDuck Friday #62
I'm not sure why you think we should trust your declarations and dismissiveness Ilikepurple Thursday #38
You'll just have to wait and see. Bookmark this thread and come back... QueerDuck Thursday #44
Her getting elected 2 years from now is more likely than eliminating the electoral college Renew Deal Thursday #20
Neither is going to happen. Ever. QueerDuck Thursday #25
We're supposed to be serious and as part of that our priority is eliminating the Electoral College? Renew Deal Thursday #18
Here... please refer to post 17 above. QueerDuck Thursday #24
This sounds like the kind of thing people said about President Obama. A Clearing Friday #60
Sorry, the comparison to Obama is historically inaccurate. QueerDuck Friday #69
I don't disagree with any of that. A Clearing Saturday #72
Rebecca Solnit has a good take on it. Reader Rabbit Thursday #2
From what I've seen, she stammered a bit while collecting her thoughts, questionseverything Thursday #3
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Thursday #46
The comment on Venezuela being south of the equator Melon Saturday #74
If Venezuela was south of the equator then the Earth would be upside down. That makes no sense. PeaceWave 4 hrs ago #84
She took a minute to think about what she was gonna say before she said it Walleye Thursday #4
It's all over Greg_In_SF Thursday #5
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Thursday #28
I think she froze. n/t Wanderlust988 Thursday #33
Froze? Really? Scrivener7 Thursday #34
Froze? Cirsium Friday #52
She didn't "freeze"🙄 Wiz Imp 22 hrs ago #78
She handled it well Renew Deal Thursday #39
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Thursday #40
Don't know how many did or would see it Renew Deal Thursday #41
It was a gotcha Cirsium Friday #53
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave 23 hrs ago #75
Post again when you find out leftstreet Thursday #6
I bet they're very concerned. Scrivener7 Thursday #32
soooooo concerned Skittles Friday #54
It's hard to imagine it's anything important JBTaurus83 Thursday #8
Today he forgot what country he appointed know-nothing Herschel Walker ambassador to Prairie Gates Thursday #9
I'm fairly sure Walker doesn't know, either susanr516 Thursday #19
She made some brilliant comments about how growing income inequality destabilizes democracies Fiendish Thingy Thursday #11
I know in the "establishment" JBTaurus83 Thursday #14
The US has long had a general commitment to Taiwan's defense Fiendish Thingy Thursday #22
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Thursday #23
What do then believe the issue is? Torchlight Thursday #29
Particularly considering the long held "strategic ambiguity" policy. Jedi Guy Thursday #35
Definitely valid points JBTaurus83 Thursday #36
Please don't lump AOC with foreign policy stalwarts like Sen. Whitehouse, etc. Wanderlust988 Thursday #49
You just hedged in your own answer Fiendish Thingy Friday #50
My point was she could've dodged the question, but she couldn't even think on the spot. Wanderlust988 Friday #59
It's a layup Renew Deal Friday #63
It is a hard question JBTaurus83 Friday #57
Wow! Wiz Imp 22 hrs ago #79
True, but they should have that answer *now*, whatever it is they want to say Ursus Rex Friday #70
She is awesome! RoseTrellis Friday #65
But would any elected politician articulate the US policy as clearly and bluntly as you just did? Fiendish Thingy Friday #71
Looks like they're doing the same thing to her that they did to Hillary and Kamala. W_HAMILTON Thursday #12
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Thursday #13
What happened? Torchlight Thursday #21
She said "um" a few times. But, I mean, she wasn't wearing a tan suit or anything like that. Scrivener7 Thursday #30
Nothing ever happens. ;-) Seeking Serenity Thursday #43
LOL Skittles Friday #55
SOP for that one Skittles 23 hrs ago #76
Maybe Jake Tapper SocialDemocrat61 Thursday #16
She looked incredibly presidential and people loved her SSJVegeta Thursday #26
Post removed Post removed Thursday #37
WTF? Scrivener7 Thursday #48
Perhaps you could refresh your acquaintance with DU's TOS. niyad Friday #58
Really nothing. RandySF Friday #51
here ya go, since you can't seem to find info yourself Skittles Friday #56
Right-wing nothing-scandal. She's the Democratic pick, thumb on scale, for next president, they insist. betsuni Friday #61
If she runs, she will be a major force Renew Deal Friday #64
"She's one of the few people that can take Vance on in a debate" ?????? Wiz Imp 22 hrs ago #80
Probably not well Renew Deal 22 hrs ago #81
Sorry. But in my opinion he is a horrible debater. Any major Democrat would wipethe floor with him. Wiz Imp 21 hrs ago #82
This message was self-deleted by its author Nixie Saturday #73
AOC does not "make gaffes" Autumn Friday #66
I wondered the same thing. themaguffin Friday #67
What happened was a group of inferior men wrote some word salad critiques Quiet Em Friday #68
I do love to see that people are having a great time with this. Scrivener7 23 hrs ago #77
Is that what the kids are calling it these days? PeaceWave 4 hrs ago #85
What's your deal? First you spread crap about Newsom, now BS rumors about AOC. JoseBalow 21 hrs ago #83
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