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Layzeebeaver

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40. It's taken me awhile to pull this together in a manner that folks can consume...
Tue Feb 24, 2026, 04:22 PM
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Also, I've pasted stuff from multiple sources, apologies for formatting issues.

U.S Carrier group defending against (CM02-type for example) supersonic anti-ship missiles...

Step 1) Find it early (so you can shoot it earlier)
- Use E-2D Advanced Hawkeye: airborne early warning / battle management; helps cue the group’s air and missile defence picture.
- Aegis Combat System on cruisers/destroyers: integrates sensors and weapons for fleet air defence.

(In wargame terms: “if you don’t detect/track early, every later layer gets harder.” I'm an old wargamer, so apologies if I get way to technical here)

Step 2) Outer “hard-kill” layer (the long arm for the Carrier group defense, so to speak) This is typically executed by Aegis escorts rather than the carrier itself:
- SM-6 (Standard Missile-6): multi-mission interceptor used for air defence, including against anti-ship missiles.
- SM-2: the US Navy’s primary surface-to-air fleet air-defence missile; also positioned as part of layered defence vs aircraft and missiles.

(Exactly who-shoots-what-when is obviously scenario dependent; but the point here is: area defence lives on the Aegis ships.)

Step 3) Middle “hard-kill” layer (point/ship self-defence missiles)
- ESSM (Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile): explicitly designed to counter supersonic manoeuvring anti-ship missiles as a ship self-defence weapon.

Step 4) Inner “hard-kill” layer (last-ditch physical kill)
- RAM / SeaRAM: point-defence missile system originally intended primarily against anti-ship missiles.
- Phalanx CIWS: gun-based close-in system described as the last line of defence against anti-ship missiles.

Step 5) “Soft-kill” layer (decoys + electronic warfare) Keep in mind that this step is not actually "step 5", it's in play from the very beginning!
These sit alongside every hard-kill layer because making a missile miss is as valuable as shooting it down:
- Nulka: an offboard active decoy designed to “seduce” modern anti-ship missiles away from the ship - MK 53 Decoy Launching System (DLS)
- AN/SLQ-32 EW suite (and SEWIP upgrades): provides EW functions, including interfacing with decoy launchers and supporting ship self-defence.
- Mk 36 SRBOC chaff/IR decoys (often controlled via EW suite) are commonly discussed as part of the same defensive ecosystem.

So... if Iran had a CM-302-class missile, the challenge isn’t the warhead — it’s getting a high-speed missile through a carrier group’s defence-in-depth: E-2D + Aegis for early warning and long-range shots (SM-6/SM-2), then ESSM in the mid-layer, then RAM/SeaRAM and Phalanx up close — all while EW and decoys like Nulka try to break the missile’s terminal guidance.

Hope this helps everyone gain a bit more understanding...

EDIT: Sorry, one other thing to add. When folks say the missile can "weave" to avoid being hit, please keep in mind that this speaking of the "terminal Phase" when the missile is undergoing its final phase of flight - this weaving is typically not occurring during the transit phase of the flight.

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I don't get it. We used to not attack countries if they didn't attack us. Walleye Tuesday #1
We have been in Greg_In_SF Tuesday #2
I know, but it still goes against our principles Walleye Tuesday #4
Not really. GCG Tuesday #10
OK, then, it goes against my principles and I get a vote, supposedly Walleye Tuesday #13
That hasn't been a rule ever. Layzeebeaver Tuesday #3
Well, we need to change that. Walleye Tuesday #5
Absolutely! Layzeebeaver Tuesday #7
We used to not attack countries without congressional approval... ananda Tuesday #45
He'd consider an aircraft carrier an acceptable loss EYESORE 9001 Tuesday #6
+1 Then he'd get to build a new one! leftstreet Tuesday #8
I apologize, gab13by13 Tuesday #9
Yep GCG Tuesday #11
Well, true if... Layzeebeaver Tuesday #12
The Cm-302 Chinese missile can fly 5 to 10 meters from the water, it skims over the water. gab13by13 Tuesday #16
Fair enough. But it is also important to consider the effective "defense in depth" design of a carrier group. Layzeebeaver Tuesday #33
Damn RoseTrellis Tuesday #46
There are radar guided 30 mm guns that can shoot down such missiles. Jacson6 Tuesday #14
They better aim low, gab13by13 Tuesday #20
US Navy has some pretty good defenses against wave skimmers. haele Tuesday #32
They do aim low. n/t Jacson6 Tuesday #49
Well maybe just maybe if TSF knows he gonna lose everything,THIS bluestarone Tuesday #15
Vastly underestimating Boo1 Tuesday #17
The carriers are so vulnerable sarisataka Tuesday #18
Has there ever been a supersonic missile gab13by13 Tuesday #21
The USN is aware of the threat. Happy Hoosier Tuesday #23
Sea skimming missiles are not new to warfare sarisataka Tuesday #27
If we are truly at risk from Iran getting this missile. Melon Wednesday #56
The USS Bismarck Sea was a Casablanca Class Escort Carrier. VGNonly Tuesday #42
That is correct sarisataka Tuesday #43
The other Essex Class carrier VGNonly Tuesday #47
No carrier has been sunk since WW2 GreatGazoo Tuesday #19
I don't think so. Happy Hoosier Tuesday #22
Sitting ducks was the wrong term to use, gab13by13 Tuesday #24
You should look into what a carrier group entails. Dreamer Tatum Tuesday #25
Missiles are easy to get rid of Prairie Gates Tuesday #26
Ya, Drones do concern most folks in the military. haele Tuesday #34
Ha! Prairie Gates Tuesday #35
China JOINS US Iran War: China ARMS Iran With Ship-Killer CM-302 Missiles Iran to SINK US Warships? Goonch Tuesday #28
They dont have them yet. NT Layzeebeaver Tuesday #37
No one is Greg_In_SF Tuesday #29
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4 of 5... Prairie Gates Tuesday #44
I love Greg_In_SF Wednesday #57
A live image of a burning aircraft carrier C_U_L8R Tuesday #30
PNAC Kid Berwyn Tuesday #31
If our carrier is attacked by Iran Krasnov will declare war and take claim of his GoodRaisin Tuesday #38
Hmmm. Is it possible? yellow dahlia Tuesday #51
There's a reason few nations buy Chinese military equipment Kaleva Tuesday #39
yeah the Chinese radars guarding Caracas in Venz. didn't do so well nt EX500rider Tuesday #48
That turned out to be be a big waste of money Kaleva Wednesday #52
It's taken me awhile to pull this together in a manner that folks can consume... Layzeebeaver Tuesday #40
During the Falklands War 1982 VGNonly Tuesday #50
because it is the sport of repug prezes since ron ray gun.( we have to punish iran) AllaN01Bear Wednesday #53
Hmm... What other large nation would benefit from the loss of US aircraft carriers? Orrex Wednesday #54
I'm sure they're being escorted with guided missle cruisers Emile Wednesday #55
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