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WhiskeyGrinder

(26,876 posts)
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 10:02 AM Saturday

They Didn't Want to Have C-Sections. A Judge Would Decide How They Gave Birth. [View all]

https://www.propublica.org/article/florida-court-ordered-c-sections

On the afternoon of Sept. 9, 2024, Cherise Doyley was in her 12th hour of contractions at University of Florida Health in downtown Jacksonville when a nurse came in with a bedsheet and told her to cover up. A supervisor brought a tablet to Doyley’s bedside. Gathered on the screen were a judge in a black robe and several lawyers, doctors and hospital staff.

“It’s a real judge in there?” Doyley asked the nurse at the beginning of what would be a three-hour hearing. “Now this is the craziest thing I’ve ever seen.”

Doyley hadn’t asked for the hearing. The hospital had sought it. Doyley had mere minutes to prepare. She had no lawyer and no advocate — no one to explain to her what, exactly, was going on.

Judge Michael Kalil informed her that the state had filed an emergency petition at the hospital’s behest — not out of concern for Doyley, per se, but in the interest of her unborn child. He described the circumstances as “extraordinary.”

The hospital and state attorney’s office wanted to force Doyley to undergo a cesarean section. Doyley, a professional birthing doula, didn’t want that and had been firm about it. She’d had three prior C-sections, one that resulted in a hemorrhage, and hoped to avoid another serious complication and lengthy recovery. She was aware that doctors were concerned about the risk of uterine rupture, a potentially deadly complication for her and her baby. She would say during the hearing that she understood the risk to be less than 2% and didn’t want to agree to a C-section unless there was an emergency.

But the choice would not be hers. The judge would decide how she would give birth.

Mentally competent patients typically have the right to choose their medical care — or refuse it. But there is one notable exception: pregnant patients.
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a 3 hr hearing when she is in ACTIVE LABOR??!!!! mopinko Saturday #1
Wow. That is appalling. The child is more important than the woman, no matter what. Biophilic Saturday #2
Extreme situation. But perhaps it was the safest option for woman and child. paleotn Saturday #4
What's extreme about this situation is forcing someone who's in active labor into a court hearing to establish legally WhiskeyGrinder Saturday #5
What about dying makes it unacceptable? paleotn Saturday #6
People make medical decisions that result in their own deaths all the time. WhiskeyGrinder Saturday #7
And that's perfectly fine with me. paleotn Saturday #37
You're reccing your own posts? Crunchy Frog Sunday #67
So what. I didn't rec if 4 TIMES paleotn Sunday #76
Exhibit A: all those Jehovah's Witnesses who refuse blood transfusions for themselves OR their children. ShazzieB Saturday #39
The pregnant woman's profession was assisting women to deliver safely....got it? Hope22 Saturday #9
Exactly what part of viable, at term, and in fetal distress do you not fucking understand? paleotn Saturday #38
Your last sentence... GenThePerservering Saturday #42
Tell that to the person who I responded to, not me. paleotn Saturday #43
The hearing was three hours long. Quiet Em Saturday #46
She was in labor for 12 freaking hours!!!!!! paleotn Saturday #47
and? Quiet Em Saturday #48
And? An obstetrics team is going to go to all that trouble unless it's for a good reason? paleotn Saturday #57
No, I'm not an OB-GYN and neither are you. Quiet Em Saturday #59
SO WHAT!? paleotn Sunday #75
You seem to believe you know a lot Quiet Em Sunday #77
And you know that how? paleotn Sunday #78
What crap has your partner seen many, many times? Quiet Em Sunday #79
Fine. You don't want trained, profession opinion, go treat yourself. paleotn Sunday #80
Why are you so hostile? Quiet Em Sunday #81
Ah, you're being omniscient again. paleotn Sunday #82
My son was born after 30 hrs. of labor. Whats your point? Lochloosa Saturday #50
Medical professionals didn't go to this extreme unless there was good reason. paleotn Saturday #56
12 hours of labor is NOT. VERY. LONG. Crunchy Frog Sunday #68
Post removed Post removed Sunday #73
The woman stated she had already had a life threatening complication from a C Section. Hope22 Saturday #61
Yes, I'm willing to sacrifice the lives of some full term fetuses to protect women's rights to bodily autonomy. Crunchy Frog Sunday #66
It was the woman's profession, but in her own case she was not making the safest decision karynnj Saturday #44
3 prior c-sections Freddie Saturday #53
Completely agree karynnj Saturday #54
My first was a C-section buzzycrumbhunger Saturday #58
If ONLY the decision was based on the health and welfare of the mother... the existing slightlv Saturday #45
The patient in question is a doula. usedtobedemgurl Saturday #49
Because she's a doula doesn't mean she is a good doula. ToxMarz Saturday #51
Sure. Of course a judge knows better. Ok. usedtobedemgurl Sunday #62
No, I am not saying that ToxMarz Sunday #74
Ok usedtobedemgurl Sunday #83
I worked in that field. When you're in the hospital, you don't have a choice. LeftInTX Saturday #20
It's not as rare as people think, and it doesn't matter if someone thinks it's "safest". Crunchy Frog Sunday #65
only the fetus stage Kali Saturday #8
Yup, the kid is on his or her own. Biophilic Saturday #19
It seems to me... GiqueCee Saturday #34
... Solly Mack Saturday #3
Whose body is it? dlk Saturday #10
In states like Florida, the state has control over a woman's body erronis Saturday #11
It's not just Florida. In almost 30 states, hospitals can override the advance directives of pregnant people. WhiskeyGrinder Saturday #14
Darwin's body. paleotn Saturday #36
Jeezus. If men gave birth, this would not be a thing. Joinfortmill Saturday #12
Eh, men do give birth and it still is a thing, but likely because of the discrimination trans men face. WhiskeyGrinder Saturday #13
I've had four c-sections Mossfern Saturday #15
I'm so glad you and your babies survived these! erronis Saturday #17
Thank you for this thoughtful post. LisaM Saturday #21
I think the trauma Mossfern Saturday #24
I was a nurse in newborn. LeftInTX Saturday #23
I was surprised to learn episiotomies aren't recommended anymore Sympthsical Saturday #33
I had three kids: LeftInTX Saturday #35
Interesting. Thank you for sharing! Sympthsical Saturday #55
I have also had four c-sections. Bettie Sunday #72
Beyond appalling. Mother first, unless both can be saved & the mother's wishes unclear (& she is hlthe2b Saturday #16
I was going to share this. Thank you so much for doing it! ... littlemissmartypants Saturday #18
Hands off women's wombs. perverts! GreenWave Saturday #22
Women of reproductive age need to get the hell out of Florida. This is absurd. Quiet Em Saturday #25
I see no reason for a judge to be called into this. Ilsa Saturday #26
If it's an emergency C-Sect, fetal distress, certain maternal conditions, unknown fetal conditions etc. LeftInTX Saturday #28
Oh, I know, I've been there. I was relieved when Ilsa Saturday #29
This message was self-deleted by its author MorbidButterflyTat Saturday #31
That sounds terrifying MorbidButterflyTat Saturday #32
I lived in a county that for a time had the highest Ilsa Saturday #27
Wondering... MorbidButterflyTat Saturday #30
I read the ProPublica article cksmithy Saturday #40
Glad I posted this thread. It's good to get a reminder about just how easily so many people are willing to sign away WhiskeyGrinder Saturday #41
3 prior c-sections are a HUGE risk. But, AllyCat Saturday #52
This story really bothered me so I did some more research Quiet Em Saturday #60
This is like Rosemary's baby! C Moon Sunday #63
This is absolutely disgusting. Under no circumstances should women ever be robbed of the right to Crunchy Frog Sunday #64
Interesting to see how much anti-choice sentiment there really is here on DU. Article and the responses Crunchy Frog Sunday #69
Agree. WhiskeyGrinder Sunday #71
OMG 😳 this is insane. The hospital was so wrong in this. If it was me I would be so furious what they did TommieMommy Sunday #70
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